Super soil amendment arrived late

Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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I'm only growing for myself so I went small scale on my SS, my question is this: I mixed my ss 3 weeks ago but 1 of my ingredients arrived during the 2nd week (worm castings) I added to my mix already do I "reset cooking time" from the day I added my worm casting or can I just keep my original schedule? I happen to have a soil test kit and ph, nitro, phos are within acceptable range only the potash is a bit high.

I plan on doing 3 layers bottom 100% ss. Middle 50/50 SS with roots organic soil topped off with 100% roots soil. Using wally world fabric shopping bags.
 

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Wetdog

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Original date, EWC don't need to cook.

*I* have quit adding fresh VC to my mix. At least till after it cycles, or usually when I get some mix to xplant whatever. The baby worms and cocoons seem to suffer from the cook, so now I just add it as I use it.

Wet
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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Wetdog said:
Original date, EWC don't need to cook.

*I* have quit adding fresh VC to my mix. At least till after it cycles, or usually when I get some mix to xplant whatever. The baby worms and cocoons seem to suffer from the cook, so now I just add it as I use it.

Wet
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My original mix/cook date was August 30 got my delivery of Ewc on 9/11 added my ewc same day. Timed it so that even if I had to reset my cooking time, I would be ok I began my seed germination on the 14 of Sept cracked and planted on the 17th figure I have 2.5 - 3 wks before 1st and final transplant. Right now they range from 1 - 3 inches!

Thank you for your response
 

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anzohaze

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Did you help inoculate the soil with microbes. Ewc is loaded with microbes (well supposed to be) that aid in breakdown of ammendments to help move the cooking time along faster if you have no microbes then I would restart the time
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
My original mix/cook date was August 30 got my delivery of Ewc on 9/11 added my ewc same day. Timed it so that even if I had to reset my cooking time, I would be ok I began my seed germination on the 14 of Sept cracked and planted on the 17th figure I have 2.5 - 3 wks before 1st and final transplant. Right now they range from 1 - 3 inches!

Thank you for your response
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I understand you want to use the supersoil layered, I recommend maybe considering otherwise?
And there are also "better" nutrients, ones that have multipurpose uses and not so water soluble.
Also bovine bonemeal freaks me out...
BUT please don't misinterpret my post, you CAN grow great herb with that recipe and technique...
Just that there are superior ways to go about it.
Also not sure the advantage of a layered soil..
In theory it's for "later" so the plant doesn't need additional nutrients, but that logic is severely flawed, for two reasons.
One, the nutrients they use are mostly water soluble.
and
Two, the roots of cannabis shoot down to the bottom of whatever container they are in within a week after transplanting, so whats the purpose of that?

I prefer using a well mixed growing media that has a varying rates of the nutrients availability (sounds more complex than it really is)
Slow release, with medium release, and then the water soluble fast release.
Make sense?
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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greasemonkeymann said:
I understand you want to use the supersoil layered, I recommend maybe considering otherwise?
And there are also "better" nutrients, ones that have multipurpose uses and not so water soluble.
Also bovine bonemeal freaks me out...
BUT please don't misinterpret my post, you CAN grow great herb with that recipe and technique...
Just that there are superior ways to go about it.
Also not sure the advantage of a layered soil..
In theory it's for "later" so the plant doesn't need additional nutrients, but that logic is severely flawed, for two reasons.
One, the nutrients they use are mostly water soluble.
and
Two, the roots of cannabis shoot down to the bottom of whatever container they are in within a week after transplanting, so whats the purpose of that?

I prefer using a well mixed growing media that has a varying rates of the nutrients availability (sounds more complex than it really is)
Slow release, with medium release, and then the water soluble fast release.
Make sense?
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I kinda understand what you're saying but I was under the impression that layering was the standard when using SS.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
I kinda understand what you're saying but I was under the impression that layering was the standard when using SS.
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not trying to rain on your method man, just saying it's more work, and for what?
What REALLY is the scientific theory behind a layered soil?
I fail to understand the concept.
Especially with all those water soluble nutrients in it.
By the time that soil is "useable" the nutrients are long gone due to it being watered countless times.
And you couldn't pay me enough to use bovine bonemeal.
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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greasemonkeymann said:
not trying to rain on your method man, just saying it's more work, and for what?
What REALLY is the scientific theory behind a layered soil?
I fail to understand the concept.
Especially with all those water soluble nutrients in it.
By the time that soil is "useable" the nutrients are long gone due to it being watered countless times.
And you couldn't pay me enough to use bovine bonemeal.
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I read about bonemeal and I wasn't to thrilled about it, but I had already bought and mixed my soil with it. On my next run I was either going with kelp or alfalfa.
I just thought that the theory behind layering was to ease the growing roots into the "hotter" SS.

B4L
 
ButchyBoy

ButchyBoy

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I did the super soil or what I call the stuper soil last year. I had nothing but problems for the first two grows in that soil ( I re-use my soil) I have since stopped using Blood meal and Bone meal along with most of what is in super soil. I had burning at the beginning and early fade. Layering was a waste of time! With the proper amendments mixed thoroughly the roots will have a chance at everything they need the entire life of the plant. I can run 3 plants through a 18 gallon tub before I see any issues and need to amend again. I usually see fading starting around day 40 with clear water only every watering on a 48" plant.

I would suggest not using "super soil" and checking out what other organic growers are doing. I would also suggest reading Teaming with Microbes. It will change the way you look at soil which will change the way your plants grow.
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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ButchyBoy said:
I did the super soil or what I call the stuper soil last year. I had nothing but problems for the first two grows in that soil ( I re-use my soil) I have since stopped using Blood meal and Bone meal along with most of what is in super soil. I had burning at the beginning and early fade. Layering was a waste of time! With the proper amendments mixed thoroughly the roots will have a chance at everything they need the entire life of the plant. I can run 3 plants through a 18 gallon tub before I see any issues and need to amend again. I usually see fading starting around day 40 with clear water only every watering on a 48" plant.

I would suggest not using "super soil" and checking out what other organic growers are doing. I would also suggest reading Teaming with Microbes. It will change the way you look at soil which will change the way your plants grow.
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Pk thanks!
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
I read about bonemeal and I wasn't to thrilled about it, but I had already bought and mixed my soil with it. On my next run I was either going with kelp or alfalfa.
I just thought that the theory behind layering was to ease the growing roots into the "hotter" SS.

B4L
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exactly.
That's my argument to it.
See my above post, reason #2 why it's not something I like.
Roots of cannabis in a healthy soil will shoot down to the bottom of whatever container they are in, that's why they are such a resilient plant.
I've planted a one gallon transplant into a big ass garbage can, and literally in a week the roots had shot down the four feet into the bottom and were sticking out,
So again, and I am totally not trying to be argumentative, just answering your questions as to my concerns with that growing theory/technique/ingredients.
You can grow herb with it just fine, I just prefer to do it differently.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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I tried the Sub Tool and Rev's layering.....what a waste of time and I knew ahead of time it was not going to work right....

My old tried and true 2 pot style of Water only has never failed me....

I mix a Veg soil and get my plant where I want it in size and up pot to Flower mix soil and never look back.....Water only and green and healthy all the way....

Doc
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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greasemonkeymann said:
exactly.
That's my argument to it.
See my above post, reason #2 why it's not something I like.
Roots of cannabis in a healthy soil will shoot down to the bottom of whatever container they are in, that's why they are such a resilient plant.
I've planted a one gallon transplant into a big ass garbage can, and literally in a week the roots had shot down the four feet into the bottom and were sticking out,
So again, and I am totally not trying to be argumentative, just answering your questions as to my concerns with that growing theory/technique/ingredients.
You can grow herb with it just fine, I just prefer to do it differently.
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Oh no don't think I'm arguing with you I appreciate that you're pulling my coat on this subject, I always look forward to other folks point of view that's how I gain knowledge.

B4L
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

Blunted 4 lyfe

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Dr. Who said:
I tried the Sub Tool and Rev's layering.....what a waste of time and I knew ahead of time it was not going to work right....

My old tried and true 2 pot style of Water only has never failed me....

I mix a Veg soil and get my plant where I want it in size and up pot to Flower mix soil and never look back.....Water only and green and healthy all the way....

Doc
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Great! I love this shit, keep it coming! What's your veg & flower soils?
 
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