Sunshine Systems LED Grow Lights - Better than HID HPS?
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GreatGrowth
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Cr8z13 check out their GlowPanel 45 watt led grow light. It's much more powerful than the $54 led light. I replaced a 250 watt HPS with one and I am convinced it is the way to go. Growth rates are impressive and my plants are bushy and healthy with nice buds. It's definitely on par with a 250w HPS. And for $139 it seems to be a pretty good deal considering it will last for about 50000 hours. When I bought mine I really wasn't sure what to expect but I have been pleasantly suprised. On a side note, my sister grows strawberries under one and it is fruiting all over the place.
Peace
OregonMeds
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And that guy above has three posts...
I think you should listen to people with more experience and stay away from anything with LED's. The best ones (which cost a lot more than yours) can't come even close to 1/4 of the claims and even still never flower plants worth a damn.
Virtually useless.
I think you should listen to people with more experience and stay away from anything with LED's. The best ones (which cost a lot more than yours) can't come even close to 1/4 of the claims and even still never flower plants worth a damn.
Virtually useless.
GreatGrowth
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Oregon Meds, I don't mean to be rude but it is posts like yours which hurt more than they help.
What difference does it make how many posts I have? Don't we all start with post #1 and work our way up? To suggest the number of posts is commensurate with EXPERIENCE is pretty ridiculous (and egocentric). You joined this forum ONE MONTH before I did All this says is you post alot. It doesn't mean you are the foremost authority on anything.
You say listen to people with more experience. Well, I said my light was comparable to a 250hps from EXPERIENCE. Not hearsay from someone who thinks or heard something. I find it amusing that people can be authorites on something when they have not used or tried it themselves. It's also funny when you hear, "well I know a guy who new a guy and he tried them and...." To me that is a total stranger. I would rather take advice from someone who has ACTUALLY used one. I am not saying they are the end all be all but my particular light worked as claimed and I am satisfied.
And to suggest the most expensive light is the best one is pretty naive. I have seen the UFO & Procyon too and they are way more expensive and I have also read posts too where they didn't perform to expectations. BUT I can't tell you if those lights work or not because I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT USED THEM. But I have used a glowpanel 45 and it works very well. It's rated for slightly larger than a 2x2 area and that's what I use it for. I replaced my 250w HPS with one and based on this, I am satisfied. I would imagine when the incadescent bulb was invented and the world was still using gas lamps there were still quite a few people who said they would never work without actually seeing or using one. If you haven't noticed, technological advances do happen.
Peace
ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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as long as you are happy then thats all that matters .
i personally will not be tossing my hps just yet
laserbrn
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Well, your LED isn't as good as your HPS was. It's in your head. It's not an arguable fact anymore tha t LED's don't product anywhere near what HPS does. Go to youtube, watch the timelapse videos. Read up on EVERY growing forum. Read growlogs of people who've used both side by side.
Oddly enough LED's work REALLY well for vegetative growth, but they can't flower your plants for shit. Your yeild will be low and not to say you'll be unhappy, but you won't get as much. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
The likely reason you like the LED instead of the HPS is because it is easier, uses less power, doesn't product the heat and can keep things stealthy. These are all great points, but bottom line, you don't end up with large enough yeilds for MOST people.
I won't say there's no place for LED's, just no place near me.
OregonMeds
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All I meant by not listening to people with 3 posts is too often newbies give advice with no clue as to what they're talking about. Since I haven't seen you post I don't know if you're in the don't know shit category or not.
And you misunderstood what I meant about the most expensive units. I certainly wasn't suggesting he buy one I was saying no matter what LED's still don't compare to HID's and from what we have seen in real life from people we trust they all still don't work well enough to suggest them for anything but maybe vegging plants. The video's on youtube and stuff have been faked many times in the past, you can't trust them.
Show us some pictures of YOUR plants fully flowered under the LED please... Tell us all the details you can aboout how old they are in veg and in flower so we can get an idea of if you do know what you're talking about and if you actually are getting 250w comparable yields please... please please
And I apologise for being a jerk.
DarkSarcasm420
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if you really want to see the difference then you should try it with both and see for yourself. i have seen claims that led is better and i have seen many more that HPS is a more viable lighting system for flowering. i personally dont believe that you should take anything that is said on this site at face value. do some research. i dont personally have a preference because i have not tried both. also if you have not actually tried both systems then you should not be giving advice on whether or not someone should use either. maybe Oregon meds knows what hes talking about. it doesnt matter how many posts someone has either. someone could have been growing for many years and just realized that there is a site that they can get on to get advice or even give it. also this is not the only marijuana forum. nor does he have to be a marijuana growing expert, you could transfer botanical skills from agriculture or just hobby gardening and apply it quite successfully to growing weed.
Now that that has been said i believe this arguement is pointless. youll find those for and those against both systems. i say that you should try the LED light because there arent enough ppl on here using them to give advice to those ppl that do want to use them so everyone goes to HPS. personally i stick with CFL and flourescent. i see no significant different between HPS and CFL/flourescent.
Now that that has been said i believe this arguement is pointless. youll find those for and those against both systems. i say that you should try the LED light because there arent enough ppl on here using them to give advice to those ppl that do want to use them so everyone goes to HPS. personally i stick with CFL and flourescent. i see no significant different between HPS and CFL/flourescent.
DarkSarcasm420
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i agree about the twisted utube videos too. anyone can make a video and put it on youtube. take everything you see on the internet with a grain of salt. dont take it at face value. do your research. check around and make sure what your reading is accurate.
Where in the hell am I?
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Listen to the experienced ppl on here, brah! Yes, LED's can veg. They do not flower fer shit!
Where in the hell am I?
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Out of curiosity fer veggin, about how many Watts does the panel draw?
EDIT
Just saw, 45W, my bad!
laserbrn
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Someone please find me a youtube video where an LED outperfomed an HPS. I guess I've been looking at a different youtube. I've never even seen the other side of this argument until today that LED is as good as or better than HPS.
LAKERfaithful7
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Hello friends........I am a avid Weedtracker, and I just found out about rollitup.com a couple days ago from a buddy of mine. I have cruised a couple of forums and found this conversation quite interesting. Mainly because I just completed my first all LED grow. I can also put to rest any untruths that maybe out there so if you have any questions, I am totally open to help answer them. Since I am a newbie, and from reading other threads, newbies are frowned upon information wise, so I will set up albums from clone stage one, to drying my ladies to earn a little instant cred for what I have learned. The number 1 thing I learned over the last 4 months, is that LED lighting is absolutely awesome for the VEG stage, but to produce a quality yield with LED.......you need to triple the light during the 12hr on period during FLOWER stage. You can also pinch or softly tie down the top spears during flowering, and re-lower the light to ensure the flowers on the bottom of the plant are reached evenly with the light. LED's generate no heat at all (unless you buy some cheap knockoff) so you can get the tops as close to the light as possible. Since LED setups are mostly red/blue combos, it is also a good idea to incorporate some white lights into the mix during flowering. I used a 12X12 45 wt (this panel only sucks 45 wts out of the wall, but generates 275+ wts of light) panel during VEG, and added 4 white LED 7 wt. lites during FLOWER. Needless to say, not enough light for a big yield. I got (9.5 gs) for 3, 28inch bubblegum ladies. Now I know........
triple if not quadruple the light during flowering, along with pinching the tops down so they dont get too big and overshadow the bottom buds. Peace and love
triple if not quadruple the light during flowering, along with pinching the tops down so they dont get too big and overshadow the bottom buds. Peace and love
Cr8z13
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Thought I'd state for the record that since I originally posted in this thread, I'm now considering purchasing either a Lightblaze or Procyon light for veg. My 600W MH runs too hot for 18+ hours per day, even with a Cool Tube and good ventilation. Running the AC 24/7 just isn't an option anymore. A 125W LED light seems the way to go as I try to reduce heat and power usage.
Siddhartha
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LED grow lights just aren't there yet in my opinion. They will be though. The main problem is the narrow wavelength for each emitter. It just means you have to build the array with a lot of different emitters.
Did you know you can get LED's the produce UVB wavelengths? Expensive, but yes you can get virtually any wavelength if you buy the right emitters.
Did you know you can get over 1,000 lumens using 6 watts from LED's? http://www.batteryjunction.com/led-lenser-coast-x7.html
over 170 lumens per watt. Can someone show me an HID with that kind of efficiency?
100,000 hour life, with less heat, less power consumption, no more ballasts, more durability. One day people will say "I can't believe you're still using HID,.. you must think it's 2009 or something."
Did you know you can get LED's the produce UVB wavelengths? Expensive, but yes you can get virtually any wavelength if you buy the right emitters.
Did you know you can get over 1,000 lumens using 6 watts from LED's? http://www.batteryjunction.com/led-lenser-coast-x7.html
over 170 lumens per watt. Can someone show me an HID with that kind of efficiency?
100,000 hour life, with less heat, less power consumption, no more ballasts, more durability. One day people will say "I can't believe you're still using HID,.. you must think it's 2009 or something."
Siddhartha
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Here's a 25 watt replacement for 32w T8 flourescent tubes, which puts out the same amount of light and lasts 10 years.
http://www.luxeonstar.com/everled-tr-48in-fluorescent-replacement-led-tube-daylight-p-386.php
Would I use it? Nope.. gonna stick to my HID until I see a spectrum from an LED array that looks just as good. But when the price is right, and the output has the right wavelength, I'll switch. I get too many electrical storms and have to turn off my lights to avoid damage to the bulb or ballast when the power flickers. I wouldn't have to worry about that with LED's.
http://www.luxeonstar.com/everled-tr-48in-fluorescent-replacement-led-tube-daylight-p-386.php
Would I use it? Nope.. gonna stick to my HID until I see a spectrum from an LED array that looks just as good. But when the price is right, and the output has the right wavelength, I'll switch. I get too many electrical storms and have to turn off my lights to avoid damage to the bulb or ballast when the power flickers. I wouldn't have to worry about that with LED's.
BigBudBalls
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Anyone interested in LED growing, should friggin buy one.
I'm So tired of the LED posts, they are the best, they kick ass, they make HID look like a birthday cake candle, they over power the sun, etc.
I'm So tired of the LED posts, they are the best, they kick ass, they make HID look like a birthday cake candle, they over power the sun, etc.