sugar injection to plants .
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nomofatum
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I'm really curious now about even trying a micro-propagation solution minus the agar. Sugar and all the nutes in the right form for direct absorption, no roots needed. There are even antibacterial/fungal additives for the solutions. Yeast and bacteria are our most likely killers if our Frankenstein work doesn't. You can grow plants in the dark with direct sugars, that would be insane, grow rooms running on IV's instead of lights.
*BUDS
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Its bullshit and if Ed says it works he's drug fucked.
TheGreenStash
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Needles Are Bad... I had this One guy that talking like a queedo try an tell me that he used to inject his plants with cocaine, I called his bullshit without even having to respond... crack heads everywhere lol.
nomofatum
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Lol, electrolytes, love the Idiocracy reference.
I got a set of 3 18ga needles from Fleet Farm, for injecting cows. I'm going to rig up a DIY IV system and see what happens to a couple of plants, I will use a clone so I have some direct comparisons.
Doer
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I am GLAD I skipped to the end BUDS. I was about to same the same thing. Put a thread in like a vein and drip sugar on it.
OP> I could not stop laughing. You can inject into these plants for any effect. They don't have veins.
Doer
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Needles are not bad. Drug addicts are.
Doer
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No, not really. I am not sure that adding sugar, honey, or any complex hydrocarbon does anything.
There is no proof, I know of.
It is a photosynthesis effort, only for the plant to produce those. The roots only take ionic minerals.
Anything else has to go in via Foliar Feeding, on the leaves, with a surfactant (soap) added to take it past the wax layer on the leaves. Or it is made in the leaves and stored, then transported around.
http://www.theweedblog.com/photosynthesis-in-marijuana-plants/
In that way, cannabis leaves almost work like solar panels by extending the area that the plant can take in light. More leaves essentially represent more power producers because you have more energy entering into the plant. When the energy is taken into the plant, it is stored in chemical compounds like adenosine-triphosphate (ATP) and nicotinamide-adenine-dinucleotide-phosphate (NADPH2). These are compounds that are built to transfer energy throughout the plant. ATP is integral in the creation of carbohydrates and NADPH2 is integral in the synthesis of carbohydrates.
Once the carbohydrates have been created, they are utilized as food energy and “building material” for the plant. One of the things that carbohydrates create is a sugar called glucose (CH2O)6, which is essentially a string of 6 carbohydrate molecules. Glucose is then strung together itself to create cellulose which then accounts for about 4/5 of the plant cell structure. Cellulose is one of the most important and prevalent organic compounds on the planet, and its creation in the marijuana plant is due in large part because of photosynthesis.
More light will also produce more growth. This is obviously because of the way photosynthesis works. If you are consistently providing light energy and CO2 to the plant, it will respond by making more carbohydrates and eventually more cellulose (among other compounds).
nomofatum
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To summarize, the plant produces sugars then uses them to build it's structure, also to add, sugars are sent to roots and burned with O2 for root growth.
So you don't see how if you inject glucose into the hollow portion of the stem how the plant can absorb and utilize the sugar exactly as it would had it made it itself? You can find the research on cereal crops and the increased yields due to sugar injection. My plants are about the right size now to try it. I need to buy an IV bag and line or make something that will work with the needles I got from Fleet Farm. The most likely flaw in this idea is not that the plant won't be able to use it, it will, but that a wound full of sugar is a nice target for many attackers, keeping the wound sealed and sterile will be the harder part.
Doer
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If you have research, we all wish you would post it.
As for, don't you see how injecting raw concentrated sugar, even glucose, in the stem can mimic the fine grain dilute transport of glucose, to aid in growth?
No. I don't see it.
IAC, now we have swerved 90 degrees into growth when the topic is THC production. All the "sugar added" stuff I see is for bloom.
As you say, the plant won't use it. But, a wound full of sugar is rather sterile.
Microcrobes also, need dilute sugar.
When we bloom beneficial microbes, we use a tablespoon of molasses in 5 gallons of water.
nomofatum
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Not raw concentrated sugar, lol.
Soybeans:
http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/49/329/2013.full.pdf
Grains:
I have to find this one again, will update and add here if I find it again.
Other:
http://www.academia.edu/6323816/Decoupling_of_light_intensity_effects_on_the_growth_and_development_of_C3_and_C4_weed_species_through_sucrose_supplementation
We are talking about a fairly weak water/sugar solution being injected/iv fed.
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Doer
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Well, this is what I mean. I read it. And since I read so many papers in my job, I cut to the chase.
- the more concentrated the solution, the less the uptake.
- constant pressure was needed. It won't flow into the tissue otherwise
- it did seem to increase mass above ground and aid growth
- it clearly inhibited overall photosynthesis
I would think in Ganja it would:
- be a worthless hassle given the pressure needs
- give a somewhat more leafy plant
- perhaps, yield less THC due to the inhibition of photosynthesis
I value your pointer to actual research. Thanks.
- the more concentrated the solution, the less the uptake.
- constant pressure was needed. It won't flow into the tissue otherwise
- it did seem to increase mass above ground and aid growth
- it clearly inhibited overall photosynthesis
I would think in Ganja it would:
- be a worthless hassle given the pressure needs
- give a somewhat more leafy plant
- perhaps, yield less THC due to the inhibition of photosynthesis
I value your pointer to actual research. Thanks.
nomofatum
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If you review the research the thing that increased most with sugar injection was the total fruit/seed/pod number and weight, the hope is that would translate into more bud nodes and size. Only one way to see exactly how weed will react. The most likely result is that I kill the plant. I will try it on a male first after putting it back in veg, should have a few of them that I have no interest in breeding in a couple of weeks.
nomofatum
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Test plan:
Step 1: Try on males after putting back in veg (survivability test), repeat until success or surrender
Step 2: Try on 2 different females, different variations (either different concentration or different sugar source), 1 female in shared rez with 9 other plants, other in shared rez with 8 other plants, same room/lighting, so multiple controls.
Step 3: Increase plant number and try more variations.
Step 4: Try growing a clone in total darkness, just for shits and giggles.
I want to get step 1 done soon, but step 2 will likely be next fall since I don't grow indoors during summer.