Sugar/Crystal Production

hellraizer30 said:

recently took down a few plant and I noticed a huge difference
in crystal/sugar production in the same strain. the only difference
was color, some were yellowed up and others were green with no
yellow. now take in mind there feeding was the same and plant are
moved around so none got to hog the main light sorse. K the yellowed
up plant were like fire sugar was off the hook and the green non yellow
one didnt have as much? so the big question IS allowing your plant to
just yellow and soak up all the life out of the plant by cuting back early
on nutes to case sugar/crystal production a plasable theory? up to now
I just feed to the last week and fush with no reduction of nutes, but this
makes me think cuting back does something unknown to me?

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So heres a thought ,the one that stayed green produced less trichs was it the one that received the most light first?At some point you had to start switching them back and forth from youre main light source while the one yellowing caught the later light cycle and put it into more production of trichs?...

homebrewer said:

That is a 25+ year old clone only strain called Dumpster that I picked up in Ohio a few years ago when I was working there. It was grown in hydro, no flush and it tastes like herb should taste. The trick is to not overfeed but that's not really the subject here. These plants are resilient. You can treat them like crap and still get a product that 'gets the job done'. Over the years, I've found that the better you treat your plants, the better they'll treat you. I don't subscribe to any 'tricks' to create stress or to induce more of something because i've tried those tricks at one point and it's just bad gardening. As a community, we tend to over-complicate everything from how to germ seeds to when the best time to harvest is. Just keep them healthy and their full genetic potential will shine.

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i gotta agree with homebrew ... BUT who knows wh at your plant was locking out or getting too much of to cause a abundence of crystals . homebrewer said it himself perfect feedings all the time unlock the potental behind the plant BUT fucking with the plant is proven to improve tricombe production ... the MJ plant mutates for a number of reasons hellraizer the chances of you recreating the trich production in a closed system everytime are slim but you did force the plant to put out extra oils for some reason... nice!!!

homebrewer said:

That is a 25+ year old clone only strain called Dumpster that I picked up in Ohio a few years ago when I was working there. It was grown in hydro, no flush and it tastes like herb should taste. The trick is to not overfeed but that's not really the subject here. These plants are resilient. You can treat them like crap and still get a product that 'gets the job done'. Over the years, I've found that the better you treat your plants, the better they'll treat you. I don't subscribe to any 'tricks' to create stress or to induce more of something because i've tried those tricks at one point and it's just bad gardening. As a community, we tend to over-complicate everything from how to germ seeds to when the best time to harvest is. Just keep them healthy and their full genetic potential will shine.

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*holy moly.. think i just figured out what THseeds (the Hog) is from... could it be.... hhmmm.. gotta ask Adam then ..'dumpster' does sound better hehe.

--cheers

yea, when i "flush" hydro so to speak and i dont even think you can really call it a flush like most people think of flushing, to me its flushing because im putting less nutrients into the plant im flushing them out, but slowly. I usually drop down over the course of 2 weeks and the last week usually is about 500ppm to base ppm which is pretty high for me here like 340 or something. If i go to straight water it only takes a week for em to yellow out and i like a more gradual come down off the roids =)

hellraizer30 said:

This was when i started geting heavy into hydro and nown all is good and im cutting back nitrogen also,
And seeing much better results, but im still flushing the last 2 weeks but in a more way like a heaving
Drug addict does to wing off the chemicals so its not a 100% flush

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homebrewer said:

One of the things I didn't like about the GH 3part was that you couldn't scale back the nitrogen without scaling back all the micro nutrients since they're in the same bottle. I don't think that presented any issues for me but I always felt like I was over-supplying nitrogen at the end.


I'll send you a pm about this.

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Thanks man,i have 8 tables so im going to run a few of them with your ratios & see how i do,im excited,one table is going up tonight with your mix.

The nitrogen issue is surely what had my plants fuked,i also had the same problem where i couldnt cut back on nitrogen without short dicking all the other micros in flora micro,thats how i ended up using the Hydroplex,its got the micros in it but zero nitrogen.

Thanks again.

cannawizard said:

*holy moly.. think i just figured out what THseeds (the Hog) is from... could it be.... hhmmm.. gotta ask Adam then ..'dumpster' does sound better hehe.

--cheers

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I don't think they're in any way related as I don't know how THseeds would get their hands on a clone. I just mean that there seem to be more than enough strains in Cali to keep them busy for a few lifetimes.

homebrewer said:

I don't think they're in any way related as I don't know how THseeds would get their hands on a clone. I just mean that there seem to be more than enough strains in Cali to keep them busy for a few lifetimes.

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*i think Adam got some sort of indy from that area you mentioned 'dumpster' was from around early late 80s early 90s.... like i said, all hypo.. just a wild guess

--not saying ppl do it, but ive heard clones in packages.. *cough.. yea, mj travels

I like to yellow off my plants and ripen my buds. I might not get the biggest yields since I feed light overall and def flush with no nutes for at least 1 week if not 2. I see no point in jamming more food in the water than the plant is gonna use. I doubt it is gonna use more just because its there. I also hate dumping nutes down the drain and dont change my water very often.

One thing I can say is the plants I have let go yellow had tons of crystal coverage, but I didn't keep one green to compare. No doubt turned out to be the best smoke I have made hands down. That is not just my opinion either but my patients also. Yellowing the plant off seems like the natural thing to do.

I only like my bananas slightly under ripe not my buds.

I dont feel leting them yellow off effects yields ive hit some records in my grow history while doing so.

I've been thinking about this a lot, and I know its an old thread but people know stuff about it here. I'm always wondering if photosynthesis actually stops during 12/12 or if it just slows down, and drops the lower leaves it doesn't need. I've read that photosynthesis is not efficient in the winter so plants reabsorb the nutrients from the leaves and drop them till spring, or put the excess nutrients into their fruit/flowers. I also know that excessive Nitrogen can cause delayed flowering, leafy buds, weak stems etc. Maybe someone should send a sample of some bud that was given higher N, and one that was given lower to see if the %thc is higher/lower (does it work like that?). I'm just thinking that maybe the increase in yield is due to the fact that you are increasing your leafiness, or vegetation by 15% more with that perfect balance but don't really notice it. Not looking for an argument just tossing ideas around. Not sure what I believe at this point. Maybe a little of both...