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Scwirl1611

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I recently started over with a whole new setup. I got a Barney’s farm sweet tooth put it in coco/70-30 mix. I used the great white and just sprinkled some on the roots after germination. Then I used dr.earths pump organic fertilizer ( not bad) added a little dry blood meal and hit it with cal/mag. Everything was going great and one day it just stopped! Now it’s growing like ten shoots but not growing taller? Is this common and has anyone ever saw this?
 
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Oh sorry and my lights are a Mars hydro 1000 watt,a bestva 1000 and a Agromax Max 65 watt (the one with 4000 kelvins) so the light may be too strong? Idk? Please any and all feedback will be helpful and appreciated
 
Ukulele Haze

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My LSD-25 and Pineapple Express Autos from FastBuds were both stunted (height-wise). I believe it was due to over-watering in my case. Both plants recovered, but a person only gets a certain amount of time (depending on the strain) to pack on vegetation with Autos. Thus, mine will never be the multi-topped wonders some people end up with. I'm not sure if yours is flowering yet or not. But, some Autos will start flowering in as little as three weeks.

I took a photograph of the runts 46 days from planting the seeds in the soil (today). I think the Pineapple Express will stretch a little more. But, the LSD-25 is 9 in / 22.86 cm tall and not doing much more vertically. It's fattening up though, no doubt:

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I think I got the same issues. Healthy,bushy no vertical at all. I may have a week left so I’m going to pump some mag/cal, terminator and viscous bloom here in a day or two? Maybe one more veg feeding. I got blood meal and dr. Earths 2-2-2 organic and I feed it that with stump tea.
 
Ukulele Haze

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Scwirl1611 said:
I think I got the same issues. Healthy,bushy no vertical at all. I may have a week left so I’m going to pump some mag/cal, terminator and viscous bloom here in a day or two? Maybe one more veg feeding. I got blood meal and dr. Earths 2-2-2 organic and I feed it that with stump tea.
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I hope you might see some resurgence in growth with that combo (who knows)? Personally, I had to come to terms with the fact that mine flat-out won't yield much. It seems like many growers ditch Autos for Photos once they find out how unforgiving they can be. But, the prospect of harvesting some big ones in a quick turn-around seems too appealing to quit on them to me.
 
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That's is strange indeed. My plant is 26 days old, and far larger than these. I've never seen stunting like this. I had a few autos stunt, but in a way where they didn't go into flower until week 5 or 6 despite saying 70 days from seed.

The quick turnaround never seems to work. The fat monkey in the pic was stated to be 75 days from seed, but it's 26 in now and not a sign of pre flower. Every auto I have grown has ended up being 90-110 days.. breeders have a habit of claiming flower cycle times as "from seed". IMG_20210325_104428.jpg
 
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VincenzioVonHook said:
That's is strange indeed. My plant is 26 days old, and far larger than these. I've never seen stunting like this. I had a few autos stunt, but in a way where they didn't go into flower until week 5 or 6 despite saying 70 days from seed.
This is a crazy one! I’m going to ride it out and I just dropped a zkittlez OG and I’m going straight soil this time with some additives. That coco is different. Some swear by it? Idk? I will keep using it as a small percentage not over 50
The quick turnaround never seems to work. The fat monkey in the pic was stated to be 75 days from seed, but it's 26 in now and not a sign of pre flower. Every auto I have grown has ended up being 90-110 days.. breeders have a habit of claiming flower cycle times as "from seed". View attachment 4862040
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Seems like a hot mix for a young plant based off your first post.

The plant I posted is in $4 bunnings seedling mix (Coco, peat and 1/3 perlite) and hasn't had a single nutrient added yet. The seedling mixes I find have the least nutes, and I have the best turnout with it. Every time I blend some fancy soil, I get issues.

What is the pH of your runoff slurry? I've seen plants stunt when the pH is too high as the nutes don't break down as well in alkaline environments, but then again you don't have bad discolouration or anything. The thing is, U usually see nitrogen toxicity at high pH, and it doesn't seem to be shiny and dark, and doesn't have strange leaves.

The one or two plants I did have that stunted, I did a full flush of the soil with pH balanced, filtered water, let it dry for a day and treated the medium with Cannazym and rhizo for first week after, and then back to feeding. They were still in mid veg though so, and was probably a completely different issue.
 
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That is a fair bit of lighting for a seedling. Mine is under an 85w ts600 at 18", and will be adding 2x25w 630-670/3500k/730/UV spectrum sunlikes at 12" in when it goes into pre flower. Ends up giving around 700umol/m², so I'd imagine all those lights, if they aren't dimmed, to be putting out a bit too much.

Seedlings generally like 200-300umol, veg is happy with 400-600, and flower can use 1000 or more. Photosynthesis gained slows down dramatically after 800-1000 umol. Best bet is to get a ppfd Meter and check the intensity of the light.
 
Ukulele Haze

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To me personally, the plant looks pretty droopy. The leaves also look very light-colored. OP, are they really that color? Or is it your grow light doing that?
 
Failmore

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Sad plants are sad. Not growing because it is so sad. Purple stems and lime green leaves something is not correct.

What is your watering schedule like?

Auto at 61 days...if you give em the goods they will grow up.
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I see! I’ll be there next grow watch! Good shit.I’m going to take heed to those wise words and try some reg. Soil
 
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Scwirl1611 said:
I see! I’ll be there next grow watch! Good shit.I’m going to take heed to those wise words and try some reg. Soil
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Best bet is to start with a less potent soil, however I do recommend a small dose of something like rhizotonic and Cannazym (or kelp mix) to promote healthy rooting and promote cannibalism of dead roots to prevent rot, but I hold off on nutes until the plant pre flowers, or the third week of it's looking hungry. I generally run something like Canna terra Vega for the two weeks of pre flower, then switch to Flores after two weeks with good results.

I find additives like rooting stimulants and metabolic enzymes (rhizo, zym and kelp) provide better support for the younger plants as they have trace amounts of nutes as well as beneficial enzymes for healthier roots.

Keep in mind large yield photos will probably be different as I generally run small autos which are sensitive to nutes.
 
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Ukulele Haze said:
To me personally, the plant looks pretty droopy. The leaves also look very light-colored. OP, are they really that color? Or is it your grow light doing that?
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The color is good the structure is like something I’ve never seen before. Many little bracts and shoots everywhere
 
TheDifferenceX

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VincenzioVonHook said:
That's is strange indeed. My plant is 26 days old, and far larger than these. I've never seen stunting like this. I had a few autos stunt, but in a way where they didn't go into flower until week 5 or 6 despite saying 70 days from seed.

The quick turnaround never seems to work. The fat monkey in the pic was stated to be 75 days from seed, but it's 26 in now and not a sign of pre flower. Every auto I have grown has ended up being 90-110 days.. breeders have a habit of claiming flower cycle times as "from seed". View attachment 4862040
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That's a happy looking girl you got.

It's very true, most breeders will list their total time as the first sight of pre-flowers to harvest. Makes sense from their perspective (attract more customers with a shorter time) but also frustrating for new growers.
 
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Thanks man if she would open up and spread out a little it would be amazing! Right now you can’t even Lst it is too sturdy which is a good thing. Could the light be too powerful that’s why the nodes are so short or is it just the rudelaris?(spelling?).I just dropped a zkittlez OG (bf) and a Girl Scout cookie from another company to see what happens?
 
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