Stunted growth... Transplant?

Resinhound said:

Fine do what you want bit im just telling you,your plants dont look deficient,they dont look hungry,they look like they dont have the energy to grow...you come on here with some stunted plants and a few cfls strung up 2ft from the plants in your basement and argue your lighting is fine...Good luck with your harvest.

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I in no way was trying to say anything at all apart from what i said, i was advised... right here, that i should have this much cfl 8-10 inches from the plant, which is the height its at... i appreciate your help, otherwise i wouldn't ask for it, i made some changes in the room just now, maybe i haven't insulted you enough that you would consider letting me know what you think, i put then at about 3 inches from the top.

Just looking for help, never trying to cause offense, I'm new and everyones advice is taken on 100% its just hard to filter out whats right and wrong.

Thanks again

TopDogTHC said:

Forgot to add- They need raising even when they're in saucers too. And don't let them sit in the run off, empty whatever drains into the saucer.

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I stuck a little upside down condiment pot under it! Thanks for the tip!

Crab Pot said:

I wouldn't use CFL's myself but, I do think if the plants were hungry for light they would be stretching for light. I don't see that....

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Ya its just all stem and few leaves..

3rdworldgrower said:

I in no way was trying to say anything at all apart from what i said, i was advised... right here, that i should have this much cfl 8-10 inches from the plant, which is the height its at... i appreciate your help, otherwise i wouldn't ask for it, i made some changes in the room just now, maybe i haven't insulted you enough that you would consider letting me know what you think, i put then at about 3 inches from the top.

Just looking for help, never trying to cause offense, I'm new and everyones advice is taken on 100% its just hard to filter out whats right and wrong.

Thanks again



I stuck a little upside down condiment pot under it! Thanks for the tip!

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You didnt offend me,but sometimes its difficult to get to the bottom of things when you dont know whats going on,we dont even know If you are feeding them or they are just living off the soil or what,then you show your set up with the plants sitting in a dark room with cfls a mile from the plant.We arent there we can only go off what you tell us.

It doesnt help when you top and nute burn a slow growing plant either,topping etc should be done when you have your system dialed in and can finish a harvest,then worry about experiments.If you can get your hands on some decent soil when you do transplant im sure that will help as will keeping your light closer.

Resinhound said:

You didnt offend me,but sometimes its difficult to get to the bottom of things when you dont know whats going on,we dont even know If you are feeding them or they are just living off the soil or what,then you show your set up with the plants sitting in a dark room with cfls a mile from the plant.We arent there we can only go off what you tell us.

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I get it, I'm not trying to make it difficult for you, i live in butt fuck nicaragua, we don't have...things... its my first go and I've never grown anything... i can afford a good setup i just can't have it here because its a dictatorship in central america so the only led lights we have here are in flash lights lol, if you want to ship anything, customs often charges up to 120% of the total cost of the items.. ridiculous.

Anyway, they are just living off the soil at the moment, they get watered ph 6.5-7 water every 4 days or so or when the pot is ultra light.

I can get some nutes but they are always super heavy out here, definitely nothing like what i see around here... and good buds cost $20 a gram so I'm just trying to make it work with what i got.

whatever though right i guess I'm a dick for trying ... thanks anyway brah enjoy the sweet cob lighting and all that, your buds from your thread look great.

Peace

Can you post some information?

Day/night temps?
How often are you watering?
Are you allowing the plant the dry out between waterings?
Type of water and ph?
Type of nutrients and how much you are using if any?
How long since you've topped it?
Humidity?

Judging from the photo it looks like the soil is wet. If you keep the soil wet all the time this will keep the roots from growing and searching for new water. There is a correlation between the roots and the size of the plant, if the roots are small this will keep your plant small, it has no need to grow. It's happy where it's at. In a natural setting the plant goes through droughts, too much water, low light, high light, Ect. Your goal is to make a happy medium of drought and water times. Lights are lights, your plants will grow under them, they just aren't gonna produce a whole lot and will stretch under those lights. Also in my experience males will almost always grow larger then females. I'm assuming the plant you are thinking is male is the larger one.
You can transplant it right now if you want into a more drainage freindly soil, it will stun it for a minute then should explode once it's able to stretch its legs.

3rdworldgrower said:

whatever though right i guess I'm a dick for trying ... thanks anyway brah enjoy the sweet cob lighting and all that, your buds from your thread look great.

Peace

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Dude lol...youre fine.Just trying to get to the bottom of your problem here.we'll see what the added light does..at some point you are gonna need food for them though,I can appreciate the fact you are growing with what you have...believe me ive been there.

fabizpwn said:

Can you post some information?

Day/night temps?
How often are you watering?
Are you allowing the plant the dry out between waterings?
Type of water and ph?
Type of nutrients and how much you are using if any?
How long since you've topped it?
Humidity?

Judging from the photo it looks like the soil is wet. If you keep the soil wet all the time this will keep the roots from growing and searching for new water. There is a correlation between the roots and the size of the plant, if the roots are small this will keep your plant small, it has no need to grow. It's happy where it's at. In a natural setting the plant goes through droughts, too much water, low light, high light, Ect. Your goal is to make a happy medium of drought and water times. Lights are lights, your plants will grow under them, they just aren't gonna produce a whole lot and will stretch under those lights. Also in my experience males will almost always grow larger then females. I'm assuming the plant you are thinking is male is the larger one.
You can transplant it right now if you want into a more drainage freindly soil, it will stun it for a minute then should explode once it's able to stretch its legs.

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sure, so yes as confirmed by many apparently on another thread, the taller one is apparently showing male characteristics.

Im watering about every 4 days or when first few inches feels dry, the pic was a less than a day after watering, i try and make sure its as dry as it can be without the plant wilting.

Day and night temps don't vary hugely because of my location, its max 87 in the day and about 83 at night, can't determine humidity but I'm sweating in my house in just shorts everyday.

the seedling in question was all but dead so i topped it and left only the 2 leaves that looked healthy which was last thursday and since then its sprouting new leaves, i would of got rid of it but i don't have anymore seeds at my disposal so i wanted to see if it would live.

Resinhound said:

Dude lol...youre fine.Just trying to get to the bottom of your problem here.we'll see what the added light does..at some point you are gonna need food for them though,I can appreciate the fact you are growing with what you have...believe me ive been there.

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i know, the reality is just hard sometimes, i feel bad showing how I'm doing this because its so ghetto but I'm only running this kind of setup out of the shear fact its all i got available to me... I'm planning a trip to costa rica soon where i can get everything and drive it back across the border but its like a 10hour drive.

Ill go get the only bottle of liquid nutes i have found and just buy it, if its no good ill use it for vegetables or something, i have this foliar feed which is sprayed on the seedling a few days ago, which seemed to be what kick started the new growth, its all in spanish...

Both are the same strains I take it, they should grow similar if they are. There are exceptions....IMO it's too wet. Transplant it now into a soil with better drainage. This will give you a chance to see the roots also. In a pot that small over a month it should be root bound by now. If it's not it's getting too much water. That soils almost looks like clay. The top might dry out but you may have a lot of water sitting near the middle and bottom. I always go on the weight test of the pot to see if it's dry. Once it's light it's time to water, if it's still heavy but the first couple of inches is dry it's not time to water. Keep the roots wet is gonna create rot and you will lose the entire plant of that happens.

Males are generally more vigorous than females...speaking of that get that male out of there..lol.Saying they are both the same strain so should grow the same is patently ridiculous.

3rdworldgrower said:

i know, the reality is just hard sometimes, i feel bad showing how I'm doing this because its so ghetto but I'm only running this kind of setup out of the shear fact its all i got available to me... I'm planning a trip to costa rica soon where i can get everything and drive it back across the border but its like a 10hour drive.

Ill go get the only bottle of liquid nutes i have found and just buy it, if its no good ill use it for vegetables or something, i have this foliar feed which is sprayed on the seedling a few days ago, which seemed to be what kick started the new growth, its all in spanish...

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Ya get some tomato fertilizer or something will work fine.

fabizpwn said:

Both are the same strains I take it, they should grow similar if they are. There are exceptions....IMO it's too wet. Transplant it now into a soil with better drainage. This will give you a chance to see the roots also. In a pot that small over a month it should be root bound by now. If it's not it's getting too much water. That soils almost looks like clay. The top might dry out but you may have a lot of water sitting near the middle and bottom. I always go on the weight test of the pot to see if it's dry. Once it's light it's time to water, if it's still heavy but the first couple of inches is dry it's not time to water. Keep the roots wet is gonna create rot and you will lose the entire plant of that happens.

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i have no idea they are both bag seed, i work in the british virgin islands and brought some back from some really night stuff they were calling kush, it had 2 seeds in the whole oz, and to me it looked like 2 similar but different type of buds in it.

I was sure about the soil, it seems to stay wet at the bottom so i will repot it, do you think 1 gallon or back into the same size pot?

Resinhound said:

Ya get some tomato fertilizer or something will work fine.

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thanks dude, ill go grab that stuff and post a pic of the NPK

Resinhound said:

Males are generally more vigorous than females...speaking of that get that male out of there..lol.Saying they are both the same strain so should grow the same is patently ridiculous.

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Ive done several multi strain from seed grows, call it rediculous if you want. seeds from the same mom GENERALLY grow similar, same traits, taste, height, bushings, color and so on. Any stable strain that is. Now if you wanna grow some shit you found in a bag, good luck.

3rdworldgrower said:

i have no idea they are both bag seed, i work in the british virgin islands and brought some back from some really night stuff they were calling kush, it had 2 seeds in the whole oz, and to me it looked like 2 similar but different type of buds in it.

I was sure about the soil, it seems to stay wet at the bottom so i will repot it, do you think 1 gallon or back into the same size pot?

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3rdworldgrower said:

thanks dude, ill go grab that stuff and post a pic of the NPK

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Just remember to go a little easy on the concentration for now.

fabizpwn said:

Ive done several multi strain from seed grows, call it rediculous if you want. seeds from the same mom GENERALLY grow similar, same traits, taste, height, bushings, color and so on. Any stable strain that is. Now if you wanna grow some shit you found in a bag, good luck.

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When you limit growth rate to just genetics,I can see that,but thats with a dialed in set up,this guy is growing in his basement in bum f'd egypt with cfl,no nutrients and very questionalble soil..so tell me again how its not ridiculous to assume genetics is his limiting factor here?

fabizpwn said:

Ive done several multi strain from seed grows, call it rediculous if you want. seeds from the same mom GENERALLY grow similar, same traits, taste, height, bushings, color and so on. Any stable strain that is. Now if you wanna grow some shit you found in a bag, good luck.

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i know what you mean, but again i feel like a lot of people take for granted that they live in the USA or Europe where someone can mail you stuff or the store has lots of stuff... there is absolutely no national mail system here, and they opened the first fast food place (subway) like a year ago... it sucks but its the real life i live, so my good luck magical bagseed from the carribean is all or nothing.

The funny thing is i move back to the states in a few years, but for now i just wanted to see if it was doable with less than the bare minimum

i feel like genetics is definitely the least of my worries... oh and I'm sure you know but egypt is in africa, I'm still in the americas, but egypt would probably have more shit available then we do

worst thing is its like 85 and breezy/sunny every single day... but i got a security guard outside the house guarding the area