Strange Problems please help

Herb & Suds

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NYCBambu

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Flushing only removes nutrients from the medium, not the buds.
Thanks Holla do you mean in coco or just in general? I ask because I have had bad taste results using nutes without flushing. Thats when I stopped using nutrients altogether. Not arguing, I understand my place on the totem pole is very low. Maybe I did something else wrong but I never went beyond half strength. This is big for me because I want to use nutes but I'm always afraid it will effect taste. Aside from using too much, is there anything else to be especially aware of?
 

NYCBambu

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If you flush you are doing exactly what we (the growers) told you was wrong.
We have offered the best advice we could. Take it or leave it.

Were the instructions to flush every 2 weeks given to you by a grower or someone trying to sell you their products?
I was only going by what the fox farm directions say for a soil grow. Says coco retains more unwanted salt residue. I hear you though, forums above hydro stores 100%.
 

NYCBambu

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Hollatchaboy

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Thanks Holla do you mean in coco or just in general? I ask because I have had bad taste results using nutes without flushing. Thats when I stopped using nutrients altogether. Not arguing, I understand my place on the totem pole is very low. Maybe I did something else wrong but I never went beyond half strength. This is big for me because I want to use nutes but I'm always afraid it will effect taste. Aside from using too much, is there anything else to be especially aware of?
In general. If you got a bad taste, it's most likely from improper dry/cure. Plant health is important especially at the end.
 

DancesWithWeeds

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I don’t think coco quality is your issue
It’s 102F right now. This has been a very long heat wave. Take a look at these plants. 102F and they are smiling.


I’m sure this will raise a stink with some people but the truth is Fox Farm would make an excellent base for SS. It is good but highly overrated.
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I just took this picture and it is 102F in the shade. That’s SS.
 

NYCBambu

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I don’t think coco quality is your issue
Thank you. As I mentioned earlier, 3 of my 9 plants in coco loco are doing very well. Even at half ffof and half coco, still no signs of decay. I only ask because you say you dont use coco. That just makes me think maybe there is better than what I have.
 

NYCBambu

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In general. If you got a bad taste, it's most likely from improper dry/cure. Plant health is important especially at the end.
Thanks so much, that makes sense! I was using a dry box back then, to get the first 50% of the moisture out quickly. 10 years ago thats what people were doing on the forum I was on. But I understand now, that was wrong. And I could taste it too. I was happy I had weed but I knew it could be better. Right now I am trying to dry at 60% humidity for about 12-14 days, then check the humidy in a jar to see if it will stay under 63% with the lid closed. Is that right? I am thinking putting the whole plant in a closed plastic bin would give me a good reading too, to see if it is jar/cure worthy yet.. I really appreciate your advice.
 
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Herb & Suds

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Thank you. As I mentioned earlier, 3 of my 9 plants in coco loco are doing very well. Even at half ffof and half coco, still no signs of decay. I only ask because you say you dont use coco. That just makes me think maybe there is better than what I have.
Pretty sure I never said that
I did say choose one or the other
I also said I don’t use it
Watering twice a day is a no go for me
 

NYCBambu

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Maybe I misunderstood your post about not growing in coco:


I’m not growing in coco
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Two I use jacks/Peters
Flushing is a myth and plenty of science to prove it
Google Dr Bruce Bigsby on youtube
 

Bullmark

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wow ok, directions say the opposite.... to flush every 2 weeks. What nute line are you using where it still tastes good without flushing?
It’s my belief that Fox Farms suggests a regular flush (w/ Sledgehammer) for a couple reasons. One, to simply sell more product…..they’ve overlapped and duplicated extensively with their feeding schedule lineup already….might as well add another for flushing.
Two, a flushing will almost certainly be needed by following their schedule, because of the certainty of a salt buildup from pouring so much of this and that Into the medium.
Since you asked, I’ll tell you that with my Ocean Forest grows, the primary nutrient source is just Ocean Forest. Add in some EWC, some form of microbial catalyst, and extra perlite. That mix alone should take a plant a long ways. Once you get to the 5-6 week stage, you can top dress with more of the same….or add in a little dry organic fert. Flower Girl, Dr. Earth, Gaia Green to name a few)…..Fox Farms has their own line which works great….
Depending on whether you’re growing autos or photos, that first top dress can be a N rich veg option or one that’s more heavily leaning to flowering (lower in N, higher in P & K).
Ive had a lot more success with this simple process than mixing and managing a dozen different liquid synthetic nutes.
One last thing, I also wanted to try Coco for similar reasons. My current grow is 3 photos in Fox Farms 70/30 Coco. It’s pre-buffered and already has a good amount of perlite mixed in.
Since it is inert and has not been amended, I mixed in (according to the directions on the label) a dry organic. I used Gaia Green 4-4-4. Added about 20% EWC, a light amount of kelp meal and some Myko.
The growth has been incredible and not a single sign of any problems. They went from 1 gal pots into 5 gal of the same mix about 5 weeks ago. The only thing other than ph’ed tap water that I’ve given is stump tea about once a week. You could use ReCharge or any microbial catalyst instead of the tea.
I flipped them to 12/12 around 10 days ago and am about to give the first top dress…..it’ll be about 1/3 of the 4-4-4 and 2/3 of the Gaia Green flowering, which is 2-8-4……mixed with EWC of course.
With any luck I’ll only have to top dress one more time….I’ll cut out the 4-4-4 and replace with 100% 2-8-4.
FOR ME, this has been the best option as I didn’t want to be handcuffed to my plants watering daily or even worse, multiple times a day.
I PH my water to 6.0 and water every third day or so……much like soil but favor a tad lower PH and run it a little more on the moist side. Once they get deeper into flower I’m sure I’ll need to water more often.
The pic is my little closet, which is 2.5’ X 6’.
I’m growing 3 different strains, which i normally wouldn’t do, but it ended up that way.
They are all quite different and the tallest (Jack Herer) may have to be super cropped if she keeps stretching. That pic is maybe 2 weeks old and they’ve stretched a good bit since. I’ve also defoliated an unbelievable amount since week 3…..
Anyway, sorry if I got too far off topic but it all seemed applicable to your situation and questions. Good luck and I’m happy to share my experiences, both good and bad. CA2A9D40-EEFC-49F4-A6EE-5362FE9321A7.jpeg9ABD22C9-035C-4A3C-A2FA-79C72E7A25DC.jpeg
 

NYCBambu

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Hey Bullmark I appreciate you taking all that time to help me out. Thank you! Nice looking healthy plants indeed. I understand your point about the flushing, only needed if you really over feed like the label says to do. Besides sledgehammer flush what else in the fox farm line is a waste of time/duplicate? I like the idea of pre charged soil instead of all the mixing but I feel like the FFOF quality has fallen off. I wonder how much of what you are adding to your coco mix is already in coco loco. Have you tried any? My plants are clearly preferring the coco loco over the ffof, its not even close.

Someone here said to feed to the finish, and I look forward to trying that but I'm not sure what to expect. Using just a mix of half strength ffof and no nutes I usually saw signs of yellowing and discoloration at around week 6 of 8. I thought that was normal but is that wrong? What I mean is, are they supposed to look green and healthy with no signs of decay until the day of the chop? Until I can try a better pre charged soil I was going to try to use the entire fox farm line at ¼ strength, every other watering. Do you think thats too much? So far I only fed them twice.

I also did some top dressing as you suggested, with EWC. But, I trained my plants to occupy the entire soil area with ground staples. This makes top dressing very hard but I am still trying. Will let you know how it goes. In case anybody is following, I was able to get most of the color back with one round of fox farm nutes at 1/4 strength. Thanks again Bull, and everyone else who helped me out. I really do appreciate your valuable time.
 

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waterproof808

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I used very little nutes, only one round at 25% strength.
A common theme in most threads like this. People feeding well below recommended dosage, wondering why their plants are severely deficient. Observe your plants and adjust accordingly, dont just feed at 1/4 strength for some arbitrary reason.
 
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