smokadepep
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I just told you I have a 150% mark up. Bought all my other genetics under $20 a piece. Can get continuous genetics shipped over from cali from Harborside at $20 a cut. I am not sure what you are talking about.
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smokadepep
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If anything, said growers will have to come down in price or lose market. I have no problem with either. I am not trying to be walmart here but I believe that this community should have a little more give to it as it comes out of the dark and not so much take as it used to be. Again, my philosophy that I live by as well.
smokadepep
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Binometrik
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Old guys always have been learning me to share what i can share, not to get the more money that i can off a little daily smoker who grow with passion for his own profit
Binometrik
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Thanks a lot for the tips my friend, i contact him on IG, it seems to be a very cool and professional guy, not a fucking scammer or no passionate grower thant can't explain you lineage or source of his clones !
Binometrik
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But i live overseas, and my only way to get this crazy genetics to France is to find people that is re sell them, sometimes they are scammer, sometimes very nice people very please to talk with because they're passionate...
Binometrik
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Aside from the subject, and like you us guys says, i have no dogs in this race (i love so much this expression ^^), but HTOYO is a cool guy with a lot of good vibes 
smokadepep
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Totally feel you, but you shouldn't have to pay huge markups just to make sure you get good business.
Tangerine_
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When I calculate what I've spent pheno hunting - resources, time, risk - I have no problem paying for a proven healthy cut.
I guess no one remember when breeder cuts sold for 5-10k and more often than not, involved a flight.
But I digress, some have been arguing since the beginning of this thread. Fire up a spliff of those super duper elites and chill FFS
I guess no one remember when breeder cuts sold for 5-10k and more often than not, involved a flight.
But I digress, some have been arguing since the beginning of this thread. Fire up a spliff of those super duper elites and chill FFS
Aheadatime
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So people have different philosophies on how to handle their cloning businesses. Who cares. Economically speaking, they're both viable. Smokadepep is right when he talks about low price and high quality products being the goal of many markets. Businesses/individuals compete with one another for the consumers attention and money, and generally speaking, those with bad products lose out in the long run, and of the ones left with good products, the better priced one generally (not always) wins. This is just fine, so long as there's not a trail of morally ambiguous bread crumbs behind the business, like sweatshops in foreign countries or environmental malpractice, but we're cloning plants here guys, not making shoes.
HTOYO seems to look at it differently. Less volume, higher pricing, and more personal involvement (willing to ship internationally it seems, larger clones, etc). I'd call this the 'craft' business model, and it sells just as well. Some people are willing to pay higher prices for something they feel was cared for or 'done right', which makes good sense. It's in stark contrast to the lifeless factory feel of a Walmart business model, where you know damn well the table you just bought hasn't been looked at by another human for more than just a few seconds since the day it was chopped down in the amazon. This model is psychologically enticing, as it invokes trust and familiarity. This is why even in today's modern age of ultra-technologically efficient business models, smaller and medium sized businesses are still around, and thriving in some markets (craft beer, craft food joints, smaller local farms, honey, meat, local cafe vs starbucks, etc etc).
Forgive me if either of you feel misrepresented by this post, but I don't see the big deal. Go ahead and think of it differently! Diversity and differences are welcome in markets. It makes things constantly evolve and move forward. Why the tension here?
HTOYO seems to look at it differently. Less volume, higher pricing, and more personal involvement (willing to ship internationally it seems, larger clones, etc). I'd call this the 'craft' business model, and it sells just as well. Some people are willing to pay higher prices for something they feel was cared for or 'done right', which makes good sense. It's in stark contrast to the lifeless factory feel of a Walmart business model, where you know damn well the table you just bought hasn't been looked at by another human for more than just a few seconds since the day it was chopped down in the amazon. This model is psychologically enticing, as it invokes trust and familiarity. This is why even in today's modern age of ultra-technologically efficient business models, smaller and medium sized businesses are still around, and thriving in some markets (craft beer, craft food joints, smaller local farms, honey, meat, local cafe vs starbucks, etc etc).
Forgive me if either of you feel misrepresented by this post, but I don't see the big deal. Go ahead and think of it differently! Diversity and differences are welcome in markets. It makes things constantly evolve and move forward. Why the tension here?
BigSco508
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Thanks bud those prices are extremely fair prices for legit cut anything less then $200-$300 a rooted cut from someone that i don't know or is that is close too me or my circle automatically makes me think something is amiss with said cut.
smokadepep
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I would love to know what they do different to justify the costs. You say larger plants but we all know that there really isnt a $200 cost to get from roots to teen. Its mostly overhead we are already using. You say they were cared for. I have yet to hear anything about ipm. And I would love to see pics of these clones. Hell I give away teens from time to time because the garden is getting tight. It is no different than people just paying more for the same wine. If that is your psychology go ahead. Like I said, same cut for 20, 100 and 250. Shows those that are trying to help the community, those trying to support themselves and then there are those just trying to profit heavy off of others. There are at least some differences when it comes to most of those products like localized items. I see no difference here other than price. We have all seen the clones people on here are paying these high prices for and some are just sad. So I really don't get your justification other than the psychology people have from thinking they are getting a better deal because they are paying more. If that is their philosophy then they deserve each other.
Another point, everyone on here is so afraid of losing genetics. That is the sad reality. They think if they aren't one of the exclusives on here with their Super duper clones as it seems to be put around here, that they wont be so special. They think they have fire because psychologically it would suck to have to admit that its not different but you paid more. I have yet to see anything that impresses me much. Yet it is hilarious to watch the excitement from those that spent 300 for the cut.
smokadepep
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You don't do much except for try sarcasm and give bad advice. Not sure where you have a say in this convo. Ya'll are a bunch of hypocritical sell outs I bet. Probably in the background complaining about corporate greed yet coming on here and acting like a bunch of clowns. You of all people are just dumb and hilarious though. I am going to enjoy having some tool or a troll like you following me around. But you go pay your 200 dollars because you feel better doing so. I don't get the logic but again, wouldn't expect much less from you.
smokadepep
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I remember, and it was also all about competition and market. That is why no one ever got piff clones. They held them close to corner that market. Again, if all you're interest are helping out commercial gardeners and yourself, by all means, charge more. But if you want to help get people growing, help people get involved more, help people start producing their own medicine, actually doing something of benefit to the community, you start approaching things from a much more altruistic standpoint. No difference in care of the plant, maybe even better care. But a huge difference in what you feel comfortable charging people.
GreenHighlander
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Dude just STFU. There was a time when this thread was actually useful with a list compiled of good and bad vendors on strainly. Now it is just pages and pages of you bitching about everyone else to everyone else. Is being a whining bitch part of your business plan? Or is your plan just to try to talk shit about what others are doing ?
FYI nobody gives a fuck what you think about the prices they charge or pay. You do you and keep your nose out of other peoples business.
Cheers
smokadepep
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I am sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe you should try reddit.Dude just STFU. There was a time when this thread was actually useful with a list compiled of good and bad vendors on strainly. Now it is just pages and pages of you bitching about everyone else to everyone else. Is being a whining bitch part of your business plan? Or is your plan just to try to talk shit about what others are doing ?
FYI nobody gives a fuck what you think about the prices they charge or pay. You do you and keep your nose out of other peoples business.
Cheers
smokadepep
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Don't get mad for people calling others out. I made a point, everything I have said was counter to others counter points. But I have yet to hear a justified argument for the higher prices other then trying to profit more off of people. I will stop and if anyone can justify that feel free to go right ahead.
GreenHighlander
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I was just trying to point out the reality you seem to not be able to grasp. It is hard for me to fathom anyone proud of being a whining bitch, yet here you are, proud as can be. Yet we are all clowns.......I am sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe you should try reddit.
Great job on the hurt feelings comment, it will sure impress the kids who can't clearly see or read.
It would be great if you could stop spamming this thread with your bullshit. Especially the spam about your great business. The people who pay to have that pretty blue banner by their name do so for a reason.
Cheers
smokadepep
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Is that why you are so sad? Because you thought I am spamming my business because I am using it as a comparison to show that the prices are bullshit. Yet homeboy earlier posted an actual list with prices....... I mean lets be honest here. And it isn't pride that is pushing me, its looking at the greed. I easily pointed out the 1500% markups. This isn't spam anymore than it is reviews of vendors. Some people on here don't do their research and realize they are paying those kinds of markups. Like I said, I am just calling it how I see it. And everything is a counter response, not just an on going rant.I was just trying to point out the reality you seem to not be able to grasp. It is hard for me to fathom anyone proud of being a whining bitch, yet here you are, proud as can be. Yet we are all clowns.......
Great job on the hurt feelings comment, it will sure impress the kids who can't clearly see or read.
It would be great if you could stop spamming this thread with your bullshit. Especially the spam about your great business. The people who pay to have that pretty blue banner by their name do so for a reason.
Cheers
Feel better now??? ( I am going to keep adding these because the kids will love them
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