Storage water treatment.

Dgringo69

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I am running well water through an RO filter and into storage. From storage, I go through a pump, expansion tank and psi reducer and then into a tape irrigation system on top of living soil. My worms and biology are everything, but there is a need to keep my storage water and lines clean. What options would you recommend?
 

Phytoplankton

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I am running well water through an RO filter and into storage. From storage, I go through a pump, expansion tank and psi reducer and then into a tape irrigation system on top of living soil. My worms and biology are everything, but there is a need to keep my storage water and lines clean. What options would you recommend?
What are you trying to prevent? Algae? You could add some h2o2 to the tank or put in a UV light sterilizer.
 

TCH

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The amount needed would also kill any plant.

What you can do depends on your system. If properly set up you shouldn't need anything but you asking what do means that you don't have that knowledge.

Do you have a specific problem that you are trying to solve or exploring options should the need come?
Why would it kill any plant? Lots of people run that in reservoirs. Now, if you can find a happy medium between sterile res and keeping stuff clean enough and not kill the organic soil is the goal I think.
 

Herb & Suds

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The amount needed would also kill any plant.

What you can do depends on your system. If properly set up you shouldn't need anything but you asking what do means that you don't have that knowledge.

Do you have a specific problem that you are trying to solve or exploring options should the need come?
What do you mean that amount ?
 

pahpah-cee

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Plants like literally need chlorine.


Routine maintenance to your reservoir. Cleaning it weekly/biweekly. Pool shock is great at keeping the algae off. With my chickens I put a lil apple cider vinegar in their water and it keeps it clean.
 

curious2garden

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The amount needed would also kill any plant.

What you can do depends on your system. If properly set up you shouldn't need anything but you asking what do means that you don't have that knowledge.

Do you have a specific problem that you are trying to solve or exploring options should the need come?
Ummm I was helping the OP. I didn't ask anything. I recommended something. Although I'm dabbing some very nice White Papaya and may have missed my interrogatory, you?
 

Drop That Sound

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Maybe just use chlorine when filling the main storage tanks, but then use another smaller inline charcoal filter somewhere after the expansion tank or regulator to easily remove it back out. Even the small RV hose water filters would probably work fine to remove any chlorine. Put it right before the plant irrigation section, so you don't disrupt the biology of your soil\worms with any added chemicals. I understand the concern..
 

Unga Bunga

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I am running well water through an RO filter and into storage. From storage, I go through a pump, expansion tank and psi reducer and then into a tape irrigation system on top of living soil. My worms and biology are everything, but there is a need to keep my storage water and lines clean. What options would you recommend?
Do you have a problem or trying to prevent from having one ?

When I was rearing sensitive tropical fish fry I stored water and never had a problem with a bit of bio slime . Every week or so I would drain the container and wipe it down with 3% H2O2 and fill it up again .
 

Lou66

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The amount of bleach needed to sterilize would also kill any plant. It can he used to clean between runs but not as a maintenance.

Regarding the second comment. It was directed at the thread starter. An RO system can be very clean (youre basically filtering out all microbes). If assembled cleanly and properly maintained (constant flow, no microbes travelling back in the piping) it stays clean. But that needs lots of skill you don't find often.

RO water is so low in nutrients that no additional agents are required to keep it clean enough for plants. Adding UV, Ozone, or oxidizers like bleach can reduce the microbe load in tap water. Sterilizing it completely is not an option as the doses required are toxic to plants or prohibitively expensive. RO water being low in microbes it doesn't add any value.
 

D3monic

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I've never used it in my water but I absolutely love Oxine for sanitizing surfaces. So much less offensive than bleach. They also market to hydroponics I've seen. From their website below.

"Oxine (Chlorine Dioxide)

Oxine is a multipurpose liquid disinfectant which is many times more powerful in eliminating micro organisms than common chlorine based materials or hydrogen peroxide.

The beauty of this product is that it is a very powerful oxidiser yet it leaves no harmful by-products behind.

When Oxine (a patented stabilised Sodium Chlorite solution) is activated with citric acid it forms a stock solution liquid which emits Chlorine Dioxide gas (ClO2) – a very powerful Oxidising agent.

(Chlorine Dioxide (ClO2) derived from Oxine is not to be confused in any way with swimming pool Chlorine, or industrial strength applications of low grade ClO2 – they are totally different)

This ClO2 stock solution is then added to the body of water requiring treatment. The ClO2 immediately takes action and begins oxidising any harmful micro organisms it comes in contact with.

It is the Oxygen in the molecule ClO2 that is so active. After the oxidation of microorganisms takes place the Chlorine (Cl) in the ClO2 molecule finishes up being combined with Sodium (Na) to form a harmless degradation product – common salt (NaCl).

It is the powerful oxidation properties of the ClO2 molecule and the harmless by-product it leaves behind (common salt) plus its gentle action around living plant tissue which makes Oxine an excellent product for hydroponics.

The common salt left behind as a by-product of the oxidation process is of low toxicity and can easily be monitored and removed from the system should they ever built up to unwanted levels. In hydroponic systems these levels are usually negligible provided there is not an elevated content of sodium already present int he water supply. .

Oxine overcomes the shortcomings of all other Chlorine based products which allow troublesome organochlorines to form when chlorine reacts with organic material.

The Oxine product is unique in that the patented method of manufacture and stabilisation produces a product ideally suited for use in horticulture.

There are other low grade industrial ClO2 products, used in industry, that have caused problems to plants and these products are not to be confused with Oxine and Oxine should always be asked for by name.

The Oxine application rates for hydroponics are as follows:

2ppm – The standard dose rate for fully sanitising water supplies used for hydroponic systems or human consumption. Can be directly added to a tank or dam or injected inline via a proportional injector. Targets Pythium, Phytophthora and similar water borne pathogens.

2ppm – The standard dose rate for adding to nutrient solutions fed to crops. The 2ppm strength targets pathogens and other harmful microorganisms, controls algae and unblocks drippers while being soft on plant roots and plant tissue. The recirculated residual helps to keep NFT gullies clean and free of organic loading. It has been successfully used for cleaning up fungal infections on root systems.

5ppm – The standard dose rate for adding to nutrient solutions which are fed to plants in run to waste (non recirculating systems) when fungal problems are present in the media.

10ppm – For the control of bacterial soft rot on Calla foliage/tubers to prevent spread within the crop. Used as a foliar spray. Not compatible with copper sprays which may already be present on the foliage.

50ppm – For flushing through drippers, drip tape and other pipework to sterilise them between crops or when disease problems occur. Great for removing biofilm from pipes, gullies and drip systems. (Plants must be disconnected from the gullies or drippers and pipework must be well flushed with fresh water before reconnecting to the crop). When used with a wetter/spreader the level of contact and effectiveness increases.

50ppm – For flushing through reusable media to sterilise it before it is used for the next crop e.g coconut coir, pumice, scoria

100ppm – For disinfecting processing lines, greenhouse floors or harvesting equipment. As a soak bath additive to sterilise growpots and propagation trays and other equipment. Will loosen stubborn organic matter and biofilm. No rinsing required after application. Can also be applied as a fine mist. Ensure surfaces are wet for at least 1 minute.

Contact Pure Hydroponics for more information and pricing on this world class multipurpose disinfection product. "
 

Lou66

Well-Known Member
I've never used it in my water but I absolutely love Oxine for sanitizing surfaces. So much less offensive than bleach. They also market to hydroponics I've seen. From their website below.

"Oxine (Chlorine Dioxide)

Oxine is a multipurpose liquid disinfectant which is many times more powerful in eliminating micro organisms than common chlorine based materials or hydrogen peroxide.

The beauty of this product is that it is a very powerful oxidiser yet it leaves no harmful by-products behind.

When Oxine (a patented stabilised Sodium Chlorite solution) is activated with citric acid it forms a stock solution liquid which emits Chlorine Dioxide gas (ClO2) – a very powerful Oxidising agent.

(Chlorine Dioxide (ClO2) derived from Oxine is not to be confused in any way with swimming pool Chlorine, or industrial strength applications of low grade ClO2 – they are totally different)

This ClO2 stock solution is then added to the body of water requiring treatment. The ClO2 immediately takes action and begins oxidising any harmful micro organisms it comes in contact with.

It is the Oxygen in the molecule ClO2 that is so active. After the oxidation of microorganisms takes place the Chlorine (Cl) in the ClO2 molecule finishes up being combined with Sodium (Na) to form a harmless degradation product – common salt (NaCl).

It is the powerful oxidation properties of the ClO2 molecule and the harmless by-product it leaves behind (common salt) plus its gentle action around living plant tissue which makes Oxine an excellent product for hydroponics.

The common salt left behind as a by-product of the oxidation process is of low toxicity and can easily be monitored and removed from the system should they ever built up to unwanted levels. In hydroponic systems these levels are usually negligible provided there is not an elevated content of sodium already present int he water supply. .

Oxine overcomes the shortcomings of all other Chlorine based products which allow troublesome organochlorines to form when chlorine reacts with organic material.

The Oxine product is unique in that the patented method of manufacture and stabilisation produces a product ideally suited for use in horticulture.

There are other low grade industrial ClO2 products, used in industry, that have caused problems to plants and these products are not to be confused with Oxine and Oxine should always be asked for by name.

The Oxine application rates for hydroponics are as follows:

2ppm – The standard dose rate for fully sanitising water supplies used for hydroponic systems or human consumption. Can be directly added to a tank or dam or injected inline via a proportional injector. Targets Pythium, Phytophthora and similar water borne pathogens.

2ppm – The standard dose rate for adding to nutrient solutions fed to crops. The 2ppm strength targets pathogens and other harmful microorganisms, controls algae and unblocks drippers while being soft on plant roots and plant tissue. The recirculated residual helps to keep NFT gullies clean and free of organic loading. It has been successfully used for cleaning up fungal infections on root systems.

5ppm – The standard dose rate for adding to nutrient solutions which are fed to plants in run to waste (non recirculating systems) when fungal problems are present in the media.

10ppm – For the control of bacterial soft rot on Calla foliage/tubers to prevent spread within the crop. Used as a foliar spray. Not compatible with copper sprays which may already be present on the foliage.

50ppm – For flushing through drippers, drip tape and other pipework to sterilise them between crops or when disease problems occur. Great for removing biofilm from pipes, gullies and drip systems. (Plants must be disconnected from the gullies or drippers and pipework must be well flushed with fresh water before reconnecting to the crop). When used with a wetter/spreader the level of contact and effectiveness increases.

50ppm – For flushing through reusable media to sterilise it before it is used for the next crop e.g coconut coir, pumice, scoria

100ppm – For disinfecting processing lines, greenhouse floors or harvesting equipment. As a soak bath additive to sterilise growpots and propagation trays and other equipment. Will loosen stubborn organic matter and biofilm. No rinsing required after application. Can also be applied as a fine mist. Ensure surfaces are wet for at least 1 minute.

Contact Pure Hydroponics for more information and pricing on this world class multipurpose disinfection product. "
Ugh, that's just bleach to which acid is added. That generates a toxic, explosive gas (remember to *never* add acid to bleach).
 

green_machine_two9er

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Would you be so kind and let my plant know that she is supposed to be dead please? She is getting about 4 drops of bleach per gallon of feed in her sterile reservoir.

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These 6 plants are getting the same treatment.

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Living beds may or may not act the same with the addition of bleach. My guess is alittle wouldn’t hurt but over time would potentially harm microbes.


I am running well water through an RO filter and into storage. From storage, I go through a pump, expansion tank and psi reducer and then into a tape irrigation system on top of living soil. My worms and biology are everything, but there is a need to keep my storage water and lines clean. What options would you recommend?
I would stop using RO first.
Buy a two stage carbon/ sediment filter and just let your reservoir be. Typcally I don’t need anything additives or pumps and can keep clean rez whole cycle when using drip tape irrigation.

no stirring, no light, no additives. And no RO.
 

TCH

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Living beds may or may not act the same with the addition of bleach. My guess is alittle wouldn’t hurt but over time would potentially harm microbes.
That reply was directly to the guy that keeps saying any sterile tank would kill all plants. It can clearly be done without issue.

My previous reply actually addresses the use of a sterile storage with a living soil and not being sure if there is a happy medium there.
 

green_machine_two9er

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That reply was directly to the guy that keeps saying any sterile tank would kill all plants. It can clearly be done without issue.

My previous reply actually addresses the use of a sterile storage with a living soil and not being sure if there is a happy medium there.
Right you are sir! Plants take chlorine after all.
But microbes die. And since living soil obviously needs those little guys to drive the whole thing it wouldn’t make since to constantly be attacking g then.

when growing with salts and fertilizer sterile Rez all the way.

i have heard of some people useing SLF 100 with good results. Cleans with enzymes
 

curious2garden

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Staff member
That reply was directly to the guy that keeps saying any sterile tank would kill all plants. It can clearly be done without issue.

My previous reply actually addresses the use of a sterile storage with a living soil and not being sure if there is a happy medium there.
That's the point. Our end point is asepsis not sterility. In surgery we need sterility but plants simply need aseptic water. Keeping a small amount of chlorine (which is a plant micronutrient) in the water to merely knock back algae and clear bioslime keeps your equipment and plants humming along nicely.

You know your poison by it's dose and up to 3 PPM chlorine is safe for plants and us.
 
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