Stoneslacker's 250w micro, hempy, scrog - Blue Hash, Afghan Kush Special. Cheese

stoneslacker

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im a hydro man through n through however need to keep a few mobile mums, outside of the dwc buckets, iyo, hempys or coco?

and if i go hempy (id rather) how big can i grow a plant before it gets root bound in say the same size pots as you mate, just an estimation of course,...

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IME there are differences in being root bound during veg or flower. Once a plant is in flowering, root growth will slow considerably after week 4 or so. In veg, roots will not stop growing, even after hacking down a large mother to half her size. Also in keeping a mother in a hempy, you run the risk of salt buildup, and no amount of flushing can remove all built up ferts.

For this reason my mentor keeps his mothers in an ammended FFOF mix in a minimum 10gallon container. He will also root prune, and cut up to 40% of the root mass and transplant to a 20 gallon once they start to lose vigor. Using this method he does not have to supplement with nutes and gets by with plain water and occasional use of compost tea. He can keep a mother for 2-3 years this way before they become far too unmanageable.

If you are looking to keep more and smaller moms, hempys might be a good way to go, although the longer they are in vegging hempys they will definitely have vigor issues sooner than soil. Coco or some other soiless mix might work to alleviate some of this issue.

I will agree with FJG that plant size for container volume is much better in hempys than soil, but long term viability is easier and more consistent using soil. Hope this helps

Edit: To answer your question about plant size in hempys, my mentor uses 3 or 5 gal, all perlite hempys and has pulled 14-16oz of a single plant, depending on strain of course. He usually averages 8-12oz of a 3 gallon bucket, plants usually are much wider than they are tall, as he uses alot of LST.

Edit #2: Also when using soil or most soiless mixes (coco included), at some point you will have to deal with bugs. It is almost unavoidable, so for this reason he has a separate area for his moms. This is often not feasible for most growers so some bug prevention is neccessary.
 

Lemon king

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If you are looking to keep more and smaller moms, hempys might be a good way to go, although the longer they are in vegging hempys they will definitely have vigor issues sooner than soil. I will agree with FJG that plant size for container volume is much better in hempys than soil, but long term viability is easier and more consistent using soil. Hope this helps

i have the cuts rooted and vegging now under t5.....i would say i need them to be alive and vegging for at most 3 months, obv after this time they should be a small but reasonable size so i can take cuts, root them and throw mum away.

what size pot would you reccomend for 3 months, or would you still reccomend soil due to the build ups...(3months is kinda long!)


Edit: To answer your question about plant size in hempys, my mentor uses 3 or 5 gal, all perlite hempys and has pulled 14-16oz of a single plant.

what was the strain out of interest? i bet he/she doesnt have a RIU jurno lol

Edit #2: Also when using soil or most soiless mixes (coco included), at some point you will have to deal with bugs. It is almost unavoidable, so for this reason he has a separate area for his moms. This is often not feasible for most growers so some bug prevention is neccessary.

another reason to go perlite hempy i hate bugs, however a seperate veg room is always avalible.....

thanks for taking the time lads!

peace

Lemon head!
 

stoneslacker

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If you are looking to keep more and smaller moms, hempys might be a good way to go, although the longer they are in vegging hempys they will definitely have vigor issues sooner than soil. I will agree with FJG that plant size for container volume is much better in hempys than soil, but long term viability is easier and more consistent using soil. Hope this helps

i have the cuts rooted and vegging now under t5.....i would say i need them to be alive and vegging for at most 3 months, obv after this time they should be a small but reasonable size so i can take cuts, root them and throw mum away.

what size pot would you reccomend for 3 months, or would you still reccomend soil due to the build ups...(3months is kinda long!)


Edit: To answer your question about plant size in hempys, my mentor uses 3 or 5 gal, all perlite hempys and has pulled 14-16oz of a single plant.

what was the strain out of interest? i bet he/she doesnt have a RIU jurno lol

Edit #2: Also when using soil or most soiless mixes (coco included), at some point you will have to deal with bugs. It is almost unavoidable, so for this reason he has a separate area for his moms. This is often not feasible for most growers so some bug prevention is neccessary.

another reason to go perlite hempy i hate bugs, however a seperate veg room is always avalible.....

thanks for taking the time lads!

peace

Lemon head!
You will have no problems keeping moms in 1-2 gallon containers for long over 3 months. Perlite would be perfect for that amount of time, just water with around 10-20% runoff and flush once in a while. 3 months is not a long time so salt buildup wouldn't be a problem.

Ya he doesn't participate in the community and won't let me take pics of his setup, I would love to. Learned alot of hempy info from him, but I have also passed along some good info learned from the RIU members. The strain was an unknown Chemdog cut from clone that sadly is no longer around. He vegged it to about 2ft tall 3ft wide lol. Ended up covering an 8x8 area was huge. That was before I showed him some scrog techniques.

Flowamasta uses a recirculating perlite hempy and routinely pulls an lb off a space half that size with scrogging and his amazing system. You should check out his thread if you haven't, very cool and informative, he's a guru.
 

stoneslacker

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Hit day 8 of flower and they are getting out of control. I am letting all 3 go vertical now and hoping the stretch won't be overwhelming. Judging by the amount of growth above the screen, I am pretty well inline with my previous scrogs so I'm not going to worry yet. I'll continue cutting out the undergrowth through next week and flush them around day 15 or so. Then I will switch to an aggressive bloom mix and introduce liquid koolbloom.


AKS

I let her start going up around the last update. She is really showing little stretch and her canopy is a bit bunched up as a result. She looks to have a few dominant branches which should develop nicely. I am already having to prop her up to keep her even with the others. I think I would mainline this one in the future, as she has a short setup and tight nodes.





Cheese


She has filled in almost completely. Her middle growth went nuts and I have a bunch of smaller tops with big bows in the stems from forcing them back down. Works nice to redirect them to open areas of the screen. From what I can see from my buddys, they exhibit a strange bud structure. Instead of solid colas it almost looks like the bud is all foxtails, small "tails" of calyxs is the best way I can describe it. I'll be interested to see what mine look like in a few weeks.





Blue Hash

She has the largest and best canopy so far. She has an excellent number of tops, some of which I will more than likely prune in the next week or so. Once she starts showing me where she wants growth I will remove unproductive or congested sites.






Things are getting crowded already. Shouldn't be too long now and they'll start crowning and the show will really start.



Peace
 

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eastcoastmo

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Sorry I haven't been in here man, no idea why, just poor form on my part :(

Your girls are looking amazing as always bro, you keep them so nice and green, its a pleasure to watch. Im also very impressed with the info you provide, it is always so detailed and spot on! Nice work brother :D

I'll try get some pics of the C99 i have going at my mates and i'll post up a pic of my little breeding project too, we're into week 3 of flower and got some nice buds with seeds growing :D can you believe this, out of 2 whole packs of dj short blueberry, i only got 2 males and they were IDENTICAL lol. So the male i used cost me $250US!! I got some beautiful specimens of the shiva skunk, the white shark and the papaya though, their traits ive chosen seem to be showing perfectly :)
 

stoneslacker

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Very nice man! Love those canopy shots too, forget a carpet of bud man your gonna have a field!
Ya man, here's hoping!


Sorry I haven't been in here man, no idea why, just poor form on my part :(

Your girls are looking amazing as always bro, you keep them so nice and green, its a pleasure to watch. Im also very impressed with the info you provide, it is always so detailed and spot on! Nice work brother :D

I'll try get some pics of the C99 i have going at my mates and i'll post up a pic of my little breeding project too, we're into week 3 of flower and got some nice buds with seeds growing :D can you believe this, out of 2 whole packs of dj short blueberry, i only got 2 males and they were IDENTICAL lol. So the male i used cost me $250US!! I got some beautiful specimens of the shiva skunk, the white shark and the papaya though, their traits ive chosen seem to be showing perfectly :)
Hey Easty! You know you've been missed around here mate. Lol about the DJ's BB, people would kill for that kind of female percentage! Hope the male you selected shines for you brotha, I'm sure it will. Definitely keep me posted on your progress, gonna be sweet as hell right!


Got you a lil forest going on there lol cant wait to see the jungle of buds. That blue hash is an aggressive grower compared to the others.
Thanks man. The BH is definitely a big girl for a mostly indica. I read somewhere that she can end at over 3 meters! That doesn't seem likely though, I've never seen an indica dom that tall.


It is going to be an interesting couple weeks coming up here. My growth this round is fast outpacing my grow space and it looks like it will be packed pretty tight. Definitely going to maximize my area this round!

Couple pics to compare my previous scrog to this round. Day 8 on both, previous grow is the 1st pic. I am a little worried!


Peace
 

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Lemon king

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    dont be worries man youve smashed it this grow, im sure youll overcome any space issues, i just hope they all stay at reasonably the same hieght for ya, having 1 outta 3 shoot up well above the rest would just be pure ball ache....

    you can defo tell youve been doing this a little while lol, plants are very healthy......

    do you always use veg nutes for the first 2 weeks of flower? if so whats the reasoning behind this man!




 

FuckJeffGoldbloom

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^^ Hey stone i am also interested in how you dose your nutes, at the moment i am using GH flora series only, i have the calimag in case a problem arrises, and liquid koolbloom also for flower. So far i have pretty much been following this chart to the T, the 50% version(left side of chart) and my plants like it, if I go a little more i seen the tips start to change color so i laid back....

chart from growweedeasy : http://growweedeasy.com/sites/growweedeasy.com/files/grow-weed-General-Hydroponics-nutrient-schedule.pdf

Interested in how you rock it thanks brother

:peace:
 

eastcoastmo

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Hey Easty! You know you've been missed around here mate. Lol about the DJ's BB, people would kill for that kind of female percentage! Hope the male you selected shines for you brotha, I'm sure it will. Definitely keep me posted on your progress, gonna be sweet as hell right!
Oh thanks bro, promise i'll be in more often ;)

Dude, normally I'd be more than stoked with that many females but on this one occaision i was really wanting males lol. The male i did choose had pretty close to the traits etc i wanted anyway so all is good, he's a very strong boy too :) i got about 50 clones off the other females though so i cam at least give them to my mates to grow out ;)

Sweet as bro, will get some pics up so you can see where its all at!!
 

steeliesteve

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Everything looks amazing bro! Its been said a few times now, but I'm always amazed at how green and happy your girls always look. Flowamaster isn't the only guru of ganja around here. :blsmoke:
 
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