Still no proof John "play the race card" Lewis was called n*gger

seemingly smart..... seemingly.

Following the progressive left is a disqualification however.

it'll work this time.... no, this time.... no, this time.... no wait, this time....wait...

Many other groups have been persecuted and have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps without any kind of affirmative action. - What I hear in this statement, after you acknowledge all the adversity against them, is that blacks (or other minority groups facing similar adversities) just need to try harder, work harder, overcome these obstacles before them with nothing done on your part to mitigate or lessen these inequalities. You acknowledge the various factors of racism, institutionalized discrimination, socioeconomic imbalance, the achievement gap (to name a few) that work against them, why don't you want to do something to lower the hurdle?

why it is that those who had no hand in such abuses should be forced to pay for the deeds of others. - Who is asking you to pay anything? We are talking about affirmative action, not reparations. And no, you personally have never held a slave or segregated a school or denied a black couple a loan or committed hate crime, but if you are a white male, statistics show beyond all doubt that this history has given you a CLEAR ADVANTAGE over a black male (or whatever other race permutation fits your fancy).

See, if you don't hear the word nigger.... it is still considered "said". - I am simply arguing it was more likely that it was uttered, especially given the footage of protesters spitting on other congressmen. Like I said, there can be no proof as the roar of the crowd dampened out ANYTHING ELSE. But you seem to rush to the defense of the group shown to be capable and likely to yell racial epithets, rather than those who often hear those same racial epithets yelled at them.

the past can never be erased. all of the sins and hatreds that have come before are things that cannot be changed. what can be done is to refuse to allow past prejudices to effect our lives now, to act as though race, religion, gender and the myriad other petty differences between us are of no consequence. every individual is responsible for their own behavior and no amount of government intervention can make people what they are not. it is attitudes that must be changed, not merely the mechanics of our lives. decades of affirmative action have done nothing to alleviate the ignorance that is the basis of our prejudices, it has only exacerbated the problem by creating an entirely new reason for discontent and envy.

the cost of this foolish policy can be counted in the lost opportunities on the one hand and the lowering of expectations on the other. by attempting to reverse the inequalities within our society we penalize some, merely because they have been lumped into a group that is seen to be at the advantage. their superior position in society is an illusion, but they are chastised for it just the same. they gain no benefit from the tradition of prejudice and ask none, but are denied positions they have earned for no other reason than their race, religion, gender or other causes beyond their control.

the flip side of the coin is the damage to historically downtrodden communities that are now placed in a position of subservience to the whims of the state. the demand that they produce and strive to succeed is replaced by entitlements that are authored by agencies beyond our control. lacking the need to excel, they wither and any superior virtues within that community are belittled by the simple fact that they are unnecessary for advancement. the public sector, where affirmative action has had its most pronounced effect, is a prime example of the dangers of the policy. with no need for excellence and strengthened by unionization, mediocrity is embraced and failure is nearly unheard of. the drain on our society is immense and the damage is seen in its lack of productivity and the air of invincibility its members project, even while the bitterly complain that too much is never enough.

racism will always exist as long as we continue to expect it. we can prosecute those who allow their prejudices to impact the rights of others, but we cannot simply erase those prejudices from the population. any policy that separates one segment of society from another or sets one man above another enhances our bias and further divides us. these policies are another example of the inevitable failure of the liberal establishment's attempts at social engineering and a sad commentary on the public's demands for the use of governmental force to heal the ills of society.

Wanna destroy a black community..... let the Democrats help them.

Nothing in the 20th century has done more to DAMAGE the black community than the "great society".

CrackerJax said:

Nothing in the 20th century has done more to DAMAGE the black community than the "great society".

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hey now, they were a great band for their time.

undertheice said:

the past can never be erased. all of the sins and hatreds that have come before are things that cannot be changed. what can be done is to refuse to allow past prejudices to effect our lives now, to act as though race, religion, gender and the myriad other petty differences between us are of no consequence. every individual is responsible for their own behavior and no amount of government intervention can make people what they are not. it is attitudes that must be changed, not merely the mechanics of our lives. decades of affirmative action have done nothing to alleviate the ignorance that is the basis of our prejudices, it has only exacerbated the problem by creating an entirely new reason for discontent and envy.

the cost of this foolish policy can be counted in the lost opportunities on the one hand and the lowering of expectations on the other. by attempting to reverse the inequalities within our society we penalize some, merely because they have been lumped into a group that is seen to be at the advantage. their superior position in society is an illusion, but they are chastised for it just the same. they gain no benefit from the tradition of prejudice and ask none, but are denied positions they have earned for no other reason than their race, religion, gender or other causes beyond their control.

the flip side of the coin is the damage to historically downtrodden communities that are now placed in a position of subservience to the whims of the state. the demand that they produce and strive to succeed is replaced by entitlements that are authored by agencies beyond our control. lacking the need to excel, they wither and any superior virtues within that community are belittled by the simple fact that they are unnecessary for advancement. the public sector, where affirmative action has had its most pronounced effect, is a prime example of the dangers of the policy. with no need for excellence and strengthened by unionization, mediocrity is embraced and failure is nearly unheard of. the drain on our society is immense and the damage is seen in its lack of productivity and the air of invincibility its members project, even while the bitterly complain that too much is never enough.

racism will always exist as long as we continue to expect it. we can prosecute those who allow their prejudices to impact the rights of others, but we cannot simply erase those prejudices from the population. any policy that separates one segment of society from another or sets one man above another enhances our bias and further divides us. these policies are another example of the inevitable failure of the liberal establishment's attempts at social engineering and a sad commentary on the public's demands for the use of governmental force to heal the ills of society.

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This is a great example. Are you familiar with the recent supreme court decision handed down in the Ricci v. DeStefano case? A group of 17 white firefighters and 2 hispanic firefighters in New Haven CT. claimed that they were discriminated against because several black firefighters were given promotions in lieu of the 19 others even though the test scores, time in rank (seniority) were better. The supreme court ruled in favor of the 19 firefighters saying that they were in fact discriminated against. What's the big deal you might ask. It not only happens with promotions it also happens in the hiring process. These hiring processes for fire depts around the country are very similar. They are designed to be as comprehensive and fair as possible. You are subjected to a battery of physical and psychological testing. They test intelligence. You have to go through several interviews, medical testing and in some places, a polygraph. This is to help insure that departments are getting the best candidates possible for the job. Fairness is thrown out the window when it comes to affirmative action. Departments are required to hire a certain percentage of blacks regardless of the fact that they may not have the test scores or the physical ability or whatever. We had several of these "affirmative action" candidates in my fire academy class. Guess who had to be carried through the class. That's right, just about every one of the "diversity hires". We had a couple who were genuinely good candidates but the majority of them would get you killed in a fire. It takes a special type of person to do this job. It's not for everybody. I'm retired now but I personally want the best qualified people to be firefighters in my community. I don't care if they are white, black, yellow, red, purple, etc. When the shit hits the fan I want the guy who earned his spot on that engine or ladder truck. Not the guy who had to be carried by his classmates.

Here is the link about the supreme court decision:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricci_v._DeStefano

ViRedd said:

OK, let's for a moment cede to the libbies. Let's say that the protester called the congressman a Nigger and spit on him. So we have one idiot out of hundreds of thousands of members of the TEA Party movement accosting one idiot member of congress. Now what?

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The spin machine has been at work telling the American people that the Tea Party members are all bigots and uneducated rednecks. Everything being said by the left are sentiments which are planted by the liberal media.

The human mind being very small but the human ego being very large, we often assume that if you see something one time it must be prevalent, right? People need to stop listening to everything put forth by the media. The most we get are snippets, never the whole story. Maybe he was called a 'nigger'. I don't know why this is even news. It's wrong but it's not national news IMO.

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The spin machine has been at work telling the American people that the Tea Party members are all bigots and uneducated rednecks. Everything being said by the left are sentiments which are planted by the liberal media.

The human mind being very small but the human ego being very large, we often assume that if you see something one time it must be prevalent, right? People need to stop listening to everything put forth by the media. The most we get are snippets, never the whole story. Maybe he was called a 'nigger'. I don't know why this is even news. It's wrong but it's not national news IMO.

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This is the spin the liberal left loves to do. Instead of discussing the issues, the cowardly cry of racism comes calling. First the ones who didn't vote for Obama were racists. Now the Tea Party is racist. The Democrats were the ones who injected race into this from the very beginning.
Second biggest bunch of hypocrites, right after the Republicans.

If something wasn't caught on camera, then it's impossible that it could have happened. Right?

One would think that a word repeated no less than 15 times when tape was rolling and recording.....one would think it would be on those tapes at least ONCE ... but no.

Some one is lying ... and it isn't the tape.

Only one arrest has been made recently and it was on a liberal, not a tea party PATRIOT.

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One would think that a word repeated no less than 15 times when tape was rolling and recording.....one would think it would be on those tapes at least ONCE ... but no.

Some one is lying ... and it isn't the tape.

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It wasn't all recorded, not even close.

Tape doesn't lie, but it can't tell the truth about something it didn't record either.

There were cameras rolling EVERYWHERE..... besides the media... EVERYONE has cam corders now. Ever been to youtube? I hear it is quite popular.....

His accusations don't jive with ANY footage or recordings.... but he was HOPING to get something.

This isn't about race, no matter how hard the left tries. That dismal way of thinking is only going to cost the liberals MORE votes.

I hope they continue with these baseless smears against the Tea Patriots..... I really do.

It's not about that.... try and stay in focus.....racist.

Well the Tea Party movement is great and so are the Guardians of the Free Republics. It is time Americans educate themselves as to what their Constitution says. We have been needlessly screwed out of our rights since 1933. Pot shouldn't even be illegal if the Constitution was upheld, just like the Constitution specifically forbids taxing income, yet when at war time Congress amended it to pay for the war, but ammending something specifically forbidden doesn't justify the ammendment.

1803 Marbury vs Madison, the supreme Court ruled that any laws that are in violation of the Constitution are to be ignored, considered null and void even if put in place by a legislature. The Constitution logically can't be a changing document, otherwise it wouldn't protect us from a corrupt Govt, since they could just change it to fit their needs like they have. When Corp US and US Corp were created they adopted their own Constitution, minus one of the amendments. The core issue is that a corperation doesn't have to follow a constitution, which is why the 2nd ammendment is ignored in some states like Mass and other rights have been traded for state issued priviledges, like drivers license, we have a right of passage anyway under the Constitution...but the fine print allows them to take your license if they choose. Just like a state sponsored marriage license allows the state to take your kids if they choose...but few know that...

mrdrywall said:

im on here to learn about growin not to debate with u nigger lovin bitches whether or not a nigger got called a nigger if he did so what if he didnt so what yes i am a racist and very proud of that fact get used to it whole lot of us here still that do not hide it

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Real nice. It's people like you who give the rest of us a bad name. I hope you enjoyed your stay here. This is probably gonna get you banned.

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There were cameras rolling EVERYWHERE..... besides the media... EVERYONE has cam corders now. Ever been to youtube? I hear it is quite popular......

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No need to get condescending.

As I told you, only a small portion of the walk was recorded. Not all of it, not even close. Your certainty that the racist remarks weren't uttered is baseless.

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This is probably gonna get you banned.

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i hope not. such posts are an ever present reminder of exactly what we should all avoid and what lurks beneath the surface of every one of us. even those who claim no racism are still susceptible to their fears and it's the fear of our differences that turns to hatred and is the driving force behind the ignorance of racism.

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i hope not. such posts are an ever present reminder of exactly what we should all avoid and what lurks beneath the surface of every one of us. even those who claim no racism are still susceptible to their fears and it's the fear of our differences that turns to hatred and is the driving force behind the ignorance of racism.

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I don't want to see anybody get banned either. It was simply a friendly warning. I've seen people get banned from here for much less.

Near said:

No need to get condescending.

As I told you, only a small portion of the walk was recorded. Not all of it, not even close. Your certainty that the racist remarks weren't uttered is baseless.

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If you're gonna hang out in the politics section you'd better get some thicker skin. That wasn't condescending at all.

It appears that it's baseless either way. With no proof that he was called a 'nigger' his claim is baseless.