steroids.... opinions/experience?
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gogrow
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i agree that ABUSE carries some interesting problems.... but there is a dramatic difference (in dose and in side effects) between sensible use and outrageous abuse..... does make me horny as hell though
gogrow
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So long as you arent abusing them, they arent that bad. Just dont start ripping your shirt down the middle all the time.
like this??
skiskate
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exactly like that, you just gotta have the handlebars to go with itlike this??
gogrow
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definitely tried the "old fashioned" way.... im a hard gainer.... fat or muscle... dont think i CAN gain fat; got the metabolism of a hummingbird.... the juice was a gift anyway.....
as far as the safety; there was one study done on the testoterone enanthate (same thing im on); they were given 600mg a week, and the only negative side effects were 2of the guys got some acne.... im only hitting 250mg a week.... fairly safe
budsmoker87
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Well of course dose makes the toxicity, no matter what the substance is...however...i agree that ABUSE carries some interesting problems.... but there is a dramatic difference (in dose and in side effects) between sensible use and outrageous abuse..... does make me horny as hell though
I think you (or anybody) should consider a few points before hopping on the juice. I have no experience with the stuff, but I did study endocrinoloy/nutrition in college
1. are your natural test levels in "normal" range? (between 250 and 1,000 nanograms per deciliter). don't just get your test levels checked either. You wanna find out...
A. free and bound testosterone levels
B. SBGH (sex binding globulin hormone) lvls
C. estradiol levels
D. luteinizing hormone levels
E. follicle stimulating hormones
F. gonadotropin releasing hormone lvls
possibly a few others, like your thyroid hormones, to ensure your metabolism is functioning properly
2. you say you're a hard gainer. what's your diet/fluid intake look like?
3. if you're not involving major compound exercises in your routines (deadlifts and squats particularly) and lifting HEAVY (5-6 reps till failure) then you'll never optomize your highest possible testosterone levels naturally. just forget about the juice, cuz if you're on juice without first doing these exercises, you're a complete idiot in my book
and lastly (I know you prob don't wanna hear this)....drop the weed. OR cut back significantly. Weed fucks with your metabolism and can make it hard for many people I know to gain weight but the second they stopped or cut back drastically (like once a month) they grew. Marijuana may very well lower testosterone levels by interfering with sex hormones
and I know people will say "there are no studies that this is true, it's a myth"...let's just think about it sensibly. thc is a fat-soluble substance and your testicles are primarily fat...as well as the brain. cholesterol is the building block of all steroid hormones. I'm sure there is SOME sort of interference.
By the way...what's your pct plan look like?
tnrtinr
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I knew a few kids in college that juiced - they were taking a whole cocktail of hormones to balance everything out including insulin. They don't have any problems NOW - what consequences there may be in 30 years we do not know. I believe that it can be done safely if you know what you are doing (I think the MAJORITY of users do NOT know how to juice properly).
I would never add exogenous test to my system - but I do lift naturally and I have never had problems gaining mass or strength. That being said there are plenty of ways to naturally raise your test levels endogenously. Heavy leg work being one of the best ways. Earn your gym membership by doing hard core squats / presses, curls and extensions.
Google is your friend - there are tons of articles about naturally raising your test levels. It can be as easy as eating oatmeal - but lifting heavy is going to stimulate natural production the most.
I would never add exogenous test to my system - but I do lift naturally and I have never had problems gaining mass or strength. That being said there are plenty of ways to naturally raise your test levels endogenously. Heavy leg work being one of the best ways. Earn your gym membership by doing hard core squats / presses, curls and extensions.
Google is your friend - there are tons of articles about naturally raising your test levels. It can be as easy as eating oatmeal - but lifting heavy is going to stimulate natural production the most.
gogrow
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thats alot there...
1. i have no clue... i would imagine my natural test. levels are normal though
2. massive... high carb/ high protein diet... 2qts water daily
3. covered...
4. cant do it.... weed keeps me sane...
as for post cycle.... im not decided yet... still have 8weeks on the cycle to go... do you have a suggestion?
AcidElement
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You gotta get some pills for when your done your cycle so it fixes out the hormones in your body.. or your going to create too much esthrogen from the test u ve been takin .. besidse that .. do ur cycle.. and try not to over Do it.. lots of people i know do it .. some are crazy and cant stop . some wat of a addiction to keep getting bigger.. and others did a couple of cycles and kept most there size from regular gym afterwards....
natrone23
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I've done about 4 cycles, jucie from thailand and Mexico, a diiferent times I took D-bol, DECA, sustanon 250, tes 400, cypionate propiate ect............I got about 2 or 3 grand of juice in Thailand for about 400 bucks good stuff too.
Steroids is alot like weed, lots of propaganda from people who never expericence it.
Like "roid rage" I never felt any anger or anything like that. didn't feel anything different except felt a minoe energy gain thats about it.
Roid rage comes from the people who typically take roids. Normally these people arent calm people to begin with, and are dicks to begin with it aint the roids its the person.
you know when you quit weed and you are irritable and can't sleep, hot flashes ect. I have more "rage" when i quit weed than any roids.
i'm sure everyone knows this feeling, well roid rage is less than that.
Roid rage is just an excuse for meatheads to be dicks plain and simple.
I used to give my own shots in the ass too, that was nerve racking the first time lol
Only side effest I noticed was a little acne on my back and little on my face, but i made sure i kept a good tan, sun helps acne alot. The acne depends on the person because i had a friend that got bacne pretty bad......but you know i know people who have bad bacne and chestne who have never seen roids so it all really depends.......get good sun you should be Ok.
Remember you have to eat big to get big!
make sure its real too, I bought some real shit and FAKE shit when I was in TJ. I used to have this book which described how u could tell if its fake......its hard becuse they make good fakes
good stuff too.Steroids is alot like weed, lots of propaganda from people who never expericence it.
Like "roid rage" I never felt any anger or anything like that. didn't feel anything different except felt a minoe energy gain thats about it.
Roid rage comes from the people who typically take roids. Normally these people arent calm people to begin with, and are dicks to begin with it aint the roids its the person.
you know when you quit weed and you are irritable and can't sleep, hot flashes ect. I have more "rage" when i quit weed than any roids.
i'm sure everyone knows this feeling, well roid rage is less than that.
Roid rage is just an excuse for meatheads to be dicks plain and simple.
I used to give my own shots in the ass too, that was nerve racking the first time lol
Only side effest I noticed was a little acne on my back and little on my face, but i made sure i kept a good tan, sun helps acne alot. The acne depends on the person because i had a friend that got bacne pretty bad......but you know i know people who have bad bacne and chestne who have never seen roids so it all really depends.......get good sun you should be Ok.
Remember you have to eat big to get big!
make sure its real too, I bought some real shit and FAKE shit when I was in TJ. I used to have this book which described how u could tell if its fake......its hard becuse they make good fakes
budsmoker87
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why would you assume they're normal unless you got it checked? Do you have a high libido? Are you always tired, or irritable at times...feel motivated?
I'd consider dropping the weed for a bit...taking a break. If you're working out/eating religiously, I don't think smoking anything is gonna help your muscle gains- whether your on artificial or natural test. If you must though, drink tea/eat/or vaporize...that's my 2 cents at least
As for pct....I'd definately go with a SERM anti-estrogen drug
Clomiphene or tamoxifan (nolvadex) are your best bets (commonly used for breast-cancer patients)
they're illegal without a 'script tho, so you'll have to get it illegally or have connects
puffpuffPASSEDOUT
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So your doing one shot a week? (I assume your test is 250/ml). IMO you should go with 500 a week. Test enan is a long ester so everyday shots isnt necessary but your still going to need 2 shots a week, otherwise your levels arent going to be stable and this makes you at risk for acne and other sides etc.. ...Your gonna grow on 250 a week but if your going to do it you should do it right.
I know quite a bit about steriods considering ive never taken them before myself. All the gym rats around me take them and ive been on a few steriod forums for a few years becuase i wanted to learn about them. ... If you have a question ask me, im sure i would be able to help
PS: tell us your stats (height, weight). Im curious about what kind of base your working with, becuase if your too skinny your just going to lose any gains you make on cycle, there isnt enough skeletal muscle to build and absorb the test
Also tell us about what your eating (how much, and how freq)
Majastee
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not a damn thing wrong with steroids.. i have many friends that have done multiple cycles. a good cycle i would recommend for a first timer is sustanon 250, deca durabolin, and use dianabol pills for the first half of the cycle on top of the sust and deca you will gain great size and you will be very cut also you will not lose much wieght when you come off the cycle do not forget to get to follow up your cycle with some post cycle therapy (anti estrogen and such)
northeastern lights
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I stacked decca with eqopiuse also known as boldanone ucenthiate. excuse my misspelling. Aside from the stretch marks all went well. 20 lbs upper body. kept it all. Lost a litlle water but all in all it was great. been about 10 years now since i did it. I would do it again minus the decca.
northeastern lights
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I worked out mon- fri. arms one day, chest another, back, legs, shoulders, and legs. ate lots of tuna, drank lots of whey protien shakes. and kept it up for a year. the cycle was 3 months. i reccomend a good few months of working out before juicing. Hone your skills to target and ISOLATE these muscles.