Starving Roots from Oxygen before Harvest for Early Cure?

Zaehet Strife

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ive been surfing the forums for a thread i was reading a couple days ago, could have swore i saved it as a bookmark...but apparently i was wrong. it was a really interesting read, does anyone remember or have the link to the thread. if not, does anyone have any personal experience trying this technique out? by either submerging the roots in water, or closing off all drainage holes and drowning in water/darkness for a few days to quicken the cure time. i have no idea if this works, i have never tried it myself.

if you don't have any personal experience with this, please let us know that what you say is your own personal opinion, and not based on personal experimentation.

thanks so much if anyone can help, really appreciate it.
 

fatality

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yea, it actually makes a shit ton of sense, once you "smother" them in water, they dont make any more life processes, they are dead. and if you let them chill out in a flooded pot then they arent allowed to have oxygen, thus killing them and beginning the fermentation process earlier....... it is a scientifically sound idea, IMO...... i tried it last harvest but not to a scale where i could actually tell any difference, and i didnt have a control plant either, but the science is there, so get blinded by it,, i think the thread you may b looking for is called " the truth about flushing" by riddleme ... i would look it up for you but i goota get drunk before the day begins
 

Brick Top

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yea, it actually makes a shit ton of sense, once you "smother" them in water, they dont make any more life processes, they are dead.

They are; "dead," as in how humans and animals die and all life functions end?

Plants are not humans or animals and all functions do not cease when cut down, or if; drown or smothered as would happen if say a person's head were cut off or; drown or smothered. Some continue, just at a continually slowing rate, until finally they do cease.

Not that I expect this to carry any additional weight or make a tinkers damn with anyone but along with four family members I own a nursery. My four family members all have degrees in horticulture from NC State. Two of them are excellent growers and I have asked them if a plant that is cut down ceases all normal functions and is dead like a person would be, and like in the information below, they said some functions do continue for a period of time until the plant reaches a certain point where almost totally dry.

Certain plant functions do continue during drying and into curing, at a reduced rate of course, but they do continue.

When it comes to plants, cut down does not equate to death or dead in the same manner as an animal or a human being. All life functions do not end, they do not all cease to continue to perform certain functions, certain tasks. The functions slow down and continue to slow until they do cease, but it does take some time, which differs, depending on the type of plant and the conditions is it under.

An example one used was how you can cut ornamental flowers and use them to decorate a table or some part of your home and how long they can remain pretty flowers to look at. I said, well that is because they are put in water, right? The response was only in part because if all life functions ceased when cut regardless of being in water they would wilt and look dead very quickly, the water only helps them to continue certain processes and remain looking fresh longer and that in the case of cannabis there is a large amount of water in the cut plant and it does basically the same thing, it help keep the plant performing certain functions after being cut and until there is insufficient moisture for any functions to continue, at least some functions will continue.

Nothing new is made, nothing that was not there when the plant was cut will be created, there is no new growth or creation of elements, but some of what was there will, at a slowed rate, continue to change, will be processed as it would be if the plant had not been cut, again at a slowed rate.

If you, or anyone or everyone prefer to reject that, it's totally cool and the gang with me. But that came from two family members with degrees in horticulture, my brother in law and my niece's husband, both guys that are extremely talented growers and again, have degrees in horticulture ... which is something that most people who espouse their personal opinions and personally created beliefs on growing sites fail to possess.



(The info below was trimmed since much information given was a how to guide and seemed to me to be superfluous information since the topic is not about how to dry and cure but instead what occurs during drying and curing.)

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A Good Article On Drying And Curing

A little background on what happens inside and outside the harvested drying plant will help you understand why proper drying and curing are so important to good quality dope. Drying evaporates most of the 70-75 percent water content in fresh marijuana. Drying also converts THC from its non-psychoactive crude acidic form to its psychoactive pH-neutral form. Once dry, THC-potent marijuana can be smoked and you will get high. Every THC molecule must shed their moisture content before they are fully psychoactive.


When you cut a plant or plant part and hang it to dry, the transport of fluids within the plant continues, but at a slower rate. Stomata, small openings on leaf undersides, close soon after harvest and drying is slowed since little water vapor escapes. The natural plant processes slowly come to an end as the plant dries. The outer cells are the first to dry, but fluid still moves from internal cells to supply moisture to the dry outer cells.




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Curing

Curing is a process employed to naturally enhance the bouquet, flavour, and texture of marijuana. Curing does not lower potency when done correctly, although poor curing methods often result in some less of THC.

Curing is not an essential procedure, and many growers prefer the "natural" flavour of uncured grass. Sweet sinsemilla buds usually are not cured.

Curing is most successful on plants which have "ripened" and are beginning to lose chlorophyll. It is less successful on growing tips and other vigorous parts which are immature. These parts may only lose some chlorophyll.

Curing proceeds while the leaf is still alive, for until it dries, many of the leaf's life processes continue. Since the leaf's ability to produce sugars is thwarted, it breaks down stored starch to simple sugars, which are used for food. This gives the grass a sweet or earthy aroma and taste. At the same time, many of the complex proteins and pigments, such as chlorophyll, are broken down in enzymatic processes. This changes the colour of the leaf from green to various shades of yellow, brown, tan, or red, depending primarily on the variety, but also on growing environment and cure technique. The destruction of chlorophyll eliminates the minty taste that is commonly associated with green homegrown.
Actual death, as in the cessation, the total stoppage of all natural plants functions does not occur when a plant is cut down and drowning or smothering it in water would not cause an instant and complete stoppage of the natural ongoing plant functions that do continue to occur until a plant reaches a certain degree of dryness and can no longer continue the functions they continue after being cut.
 

Zaehet Strife

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brick, your out of my league bro. so my question now is.. will it do any good for me to tape up the drain holes in my pot, fill with water and let sit in darkness for 48-72 hours before i cut? will it help, not help, or make no difference? im new to harvesting/drying and curing. and your explanation is too advanced for me, im sorry man. thank you for all the advice you've given me so far, its made my grows so much better.
 

Zaehet Strife

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well i have 3 dwarf plants, two of them ive already started this process just this morning. the other one needs to ripen a bit, so i would like to try something different...because im curious...
 

4 the love of ganja

Active Member
i tried it on my last grow (Platinum OG) and everybody loved it they said it was better than the dispensaries but i dont know for sure if that was the reason it was so potent because i only had 1 plant of that strain but i plan to do a side by side comparison on ice cream my next grow so we will see how it goes
 

mr.smileyface

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Whats the point of letting a plant go on if your wasting days. You mise aswell cut it down. I figure this would raise humidity in my room and be a waste of a couple days. Just let your plant do its thing. It would benifit more when its not drowning
 

Brick Top

New Member
brick, your out of my league bro. so my question now is.. will it do any good for me to tape up the drain holes in my pot, fill with water and let sit in darkness for 48-72 hours before i cut? will it help, not help, or make no difference? im new to harvesting/drying and curing. and your explanation is too advanced for me, im sorry man. thank you for all the advice you've given me so far, its made my grows so much better.
I have never read anything about keeping your roots in water just before harvesting, however you would do it, would make a difference in potency. A 72-hour period of darkness has been found to increase levels of THC as much as 30% in SOME strains without any increase in CBD or CBN. Some strains might see an increase so low that without equipment to test it you might not be able to notice and others would fall somewhere in between in what increase they could have.
 

Encomium

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I have never read anything about keeping your roots in water just before harvesting, however you would do it, would make a difference in potency. A 72-hour period of darkness has been found to increase levels of THC as much as 30% in SOME strains without any increase in CBD or CBN. Some strains might see an increase so low that without equipment to test it you might not be able to notice and others would fall somewhere in between in what increase they could have.
This is the thread that's been mentioned. The argument is basically drowning a plant starts the process of curing early by removing oxygen to the roots of the plant. Isn't this essentially the same thing as cutting a branch off and hanging it upside down? Both seem to me removing the plant of exactly what they need to maintain the living plant. I've read your original post in this thread and it's very compelling yet riddleme's thread was pretty convincing as well.
 
I've been doing a lot of reading up on this topic and everything I've read so far indicates it works very well. When the roots get starved of oxygen, the plant is forced to convert the sugars in the buds into starches in a last ditch effort to remain alive. The buds are basically curing on the plant, and everyone who tries it (including the skeptics) are very surprised at the results. If you drown the roots for the full 10+ days (the plant itself will dictate the exact amount of time) you'll end up with buds that cure much quicker and after the initial dry can be smoked immediately with great taste and smoothness. Of course you'd still want to cure in the jars as normal... but you won't have to cure for nearly as long.

This isn't based on my personal experience, but with a pretty much perfect track record (everyone who tries it reporting that it works great) I'm definitely using this technique on my next harvest. All the stuff I've learned so far has come from a very knowledgeable grower, Riddleme, who has proven this method accurate. Here's the thread that did it for me. Great read.

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/357460-drowning-plant-prior-harvest.html

***Ooops*** didn't meant to bring back a dead thread. But this information should be spread!!!!
 

newbie9

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isnt there tons of oxygen in water. The roots would basicly just drown and turn to rot just stressing her out in the roots. I would think she would try and suck up all the water or push roots out to get away. Thats just my opinion. Ive never seen this or heard this but with 2 days left ive heard you want to let it dry out completely then chop. This is supposed to help the dry time and thus the cure gets bumped up a day or two. But drowing it only leads me to beleive the exact opp will happen making the buds wetter and dry longer and you wont get to cure as soon.
 

newbie9

Active Member
I think strains that are from a region that encountered alot of floods in the late year as it was evolving would have better results rather then hybrids from many dif backgrounds.
 
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