Starting up- Seeds or clones?

6ixtynin9 said:
LT don't stretch much in flowering so no scrog is needed. A little nitrogen here and there to keep the plant green throughout flowering doesn't hurt. Just as long as you don't make it part of the regular bloom feeding schedule. It's not necessarily a bad thing to feed nitrogen during flower. Growers just don't do it because plants don't usually take up nitrogen while in flowering mode like they would in veg. Many do supplement with N from time to time during flower to keep plants from going nitrogen deficient. Also, some use N in flower to help assist in keeping plants a little more squat. If you use the "Lucas Formula", it can be used throughout the entire cycle.
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She is very green, some of the new growth is lighter but we shall see what happens. I'll supplement with a little Micro which has some Nitrogen. Her roots look like ZZ Tops beard!
 
Well I'm about eight weeks from 12/12 and the Tangerine Dream has been disciplined severely int a 2X2 foot screen. I left Miss Lemon Tree in her LST laid out with out a screen and she's spread her buds out. Miss Lemon Tree was suffering frm excess nitrogen and I finally read about it and changed her nutes. It's been three days and she is picking up and changing color. Her buds are starting to show trich's
TD has about 20 bud sites and in the last few days she has started to really build them up. I raised the ~200 watt LED up ~12" from the canopy and just able to cover the 2x2.
Miss Lemon Tree has to use the ~149 Watt LED at about 8" and covers her ~17"x12" shape. She has 8-9 bud sites that I think might make some good smoke.
I may have a good Fourth of July!
 
I think that this grow has shown me how to get the best out of my system. I finally got in the habit of twice a day checks and Clones or Seeds? I think it is kind of a wash, if you use fem seeds. Auto's are the hot setup for me. I don't have room to deal with a long veg time, nor the patience to put up with 16 week Sativas!.

I've one more Northern Lights and one Tangerine Dream seed left. I have been debating if the weather will be cool enough this summer to run the lights without a problem? We've had several days of 100+ here and no problems, yet.

I probably should use the time between runs to improve my grow room. I need to improve my power runs and switching panel. I want to add an extension to my power drop to allow the use of a clip on Amp meter and extend the chord on my pumps to get them above my green line. And I still haven't put up my roll up door/screen to seal in the grow and add some reflected light to the plants.

The next grow I will do the thing to make 16 bud sites and try to restrict them to 20X20"to get the sweet spot of my LED. The way the TD is swelling now I'll bet I can get 6-8" colas.

Soon we shall find out if I can grow well. Say three weeks more?
 
Yesterday I found that the Tangerine Dream was losing lower leaves! This morning it seems to be rising.

I've got a hour before lights on and I will try to get a pix in non-burpel light.
The lower leaves of the understory are yellowing and falling off. Even those which get direct light. Then this morning I saw that it was advancing to the lower sugar leaves in some buds.
I checked the PH and PPMs and found nothing out of the ordinary. 6.1 and 1100 PPM.

While I wait I'll try to post a few shots of my Seven Sisters experiment. I grew these from seed and didn't need them or the cloneing hood which has a 50 watt LED panel in it. I put the rooting plugs in 16 oz Solo cups with a course compost mix. I switched them to 12/12 at 3-4 weeks from germination, and they all flowered.

Crap!! How did I put in those pix before. I can't get this thing to post pix from me, unless I post them somewheres else and link them in????

How does it work? I seem to have dropped a few marbles. Uggg!
 
I fianally found the instructions, listed way way downthe page!

First Pic is the Cloning hood over my 12 gal tub. The solo cups sit inside and all the light is focused on the plants. Two of the Sisters showing trich's and very smelly!

Last pic is my bathtub with burple and flash. Left is Tangerine Dream in scrog and right is Miss Lemon Tree. Once the lights come on I'll get my camera and upload the pic's I took with out the burpel.
 

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Here are a few shots of the yellowing leaves on the TD. These are on the lower part of the plant and doesn't seem to be too bad? And yes I had some tip burn a few days ago but fixed it. PPMs got up over 1800PPM! I drained and refilled the rez adjusting to 900ppm using GH Bloom and Micro.
 

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I dumped the rez last night on the Tangerine Dream, flushed and remixed the nutes using GH Grow, Bloom and Micro. I had to recal my PH pen as it was way off.

Miss lemon tree is frosting up on a few buds. I fear my light leaks ruined about 9 of her buds though. :(

I have come to the conclusion that I need more training on training. TD has about 20 buds in her scrog but a few of them are from the 2-4 nodes and look like they may just be popcorn. The top colas are 4-5 inches and filling out in this 8th week. I'm hoping I don't kill them before that10th week when TD should finish.
 
GoatSoup said:
I have come to the conclusion that I need more training on training.
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Hey GoatSoup...sure we can all improve, but I think your training looks great. On those last pictures...it looks like a tad bit of Mg deficiency. I always make liberal use of Epsom salts...learned that from growing Widows.
Cheers,
JD
 
JohnDee said:
Hey GoatSoup...sure we can all improve, but I think your training looks great. On those last pictures...it looks like a tad bit of Mg deficiency. I always make liberal use of Epsom salts...learned that from growing Widows.
Cheers,
JD
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Thanks, I'm still learning.
This is my first grow with Scrog, and the TD is my first test with high stress training. Miss Lemon Tree is my first try at LST. They worked out well but other problems I have had.
This morning TD looks a bit better, buds are filling out and getting longer (~5-6"). She's getting sticky and maybe 2-3 weeks? I'm just starting the ninth week Monday so she should be just about done, maybe???
 
Well I'm starting my 10th week from seed with my Tangerine Dream Auto, her hairs are just today beginning to turn brown and frizzy. Her trich's are very small but developing. Buds are 3-6 inches and swelling, maybe two weeks more? I'd post her Pix but having trouble with my computer/camera.

Miss Lemon Tree (photo) is only growing three of her ~16 buds due to my noobieness. I have to apologize to 6ixtynin9 for screwing her up so badly. The three buds are frosting up like crazy so I'll at least get a taste from her.
 
Well some day I'll learn to post pix better. TD is looking a little worse for wear but I caught it in a day. If you zoom in on the thric's they are developing nicely. Miss Lemon Tree is really frosty on her three actively growing buds. I took a pinch of one of the nonactive buds and I got a little high on the two hits, so maybe the other nine buds aren't a compete loss?
I screwed the pooch on the scrog though. All the bud is on the outside of the main beam of the LED. I waited a week too long to put her under the net and should have fimmed her earlier. Next Time!
 
Well I went in at Lights on to take the numbers and see how the girls were doing. PH fine, PPM under 1000 and temp of the rez was good. Fat dumb and happy I took a small bud off the bottom of TD to test my new Digital Micro scope on my LINUX. An hour later, I was looking at the bud with my scope and I saw a little tiny bug wandering around! While I was trying to get a better focus and stuff I lost him and was a bit disgusted.
AND THEN!
A Blimp sized bug of about the same type went running across the screen! I guess 1000X is a lot! Some kind of mite maybe. I wonder what they eat? If they ate cats, I wouldn't mind.

I got a video of the mites. They can't be more that 0.1 mm in length. It's not allowed to post. I'm going to buy one of those 60X loups though cause, it's too scary too get THAT close to nature!
 
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Mornin' Goat Soup,
Never scrogged but I understand getting the timing right is rather difficult. While reading your post I had this image of you also being 0.1mm running around hiding behind trichs while the mad mite chases you around.:lol: And I didn't even do a wake and bake.
Cheers,
JD
 
Well I did my morning check and TD's buds are stacking now. Miss Lemon Tree is is frosty and pistils are all golden brown, Close to time!
My wife is in the Hospital recovering from a broken leg. I'm hoping to finish this off and make some canna butter so she will have some medicine to help with the pain. With the progress she's making she'll be home in two weeks.
 
Last night I took a small pinch of bud from both the TD and the LT. AIr dried them over night and smoked them this afternoon. I got a good hint of the terpenes from each and a little lift from them. Of course it only lasted a few minutes but nice to know that they well bring some nice taste to the party. Both were citrusy but each different.

I moved a couple of buds in the screen and my fingers were sticky and smelled Tangerine -ish. Pistils are almost all shriveling and perhaps a week left? TD is supposed ot mature ins 7-8 Weeks but it almost ten now so I should be getting close.
 
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Miss Lemon Tree just faded overnight! I clipped her and took a sample, some high but not much. My bad! I'm jarring her today, maybe an Oz dry/

Tangerine Dream is all alone so I moved my 140 Watt LED over her so the 225 W light covers ~half and the 140 covers half, shifter to 24/0 now that MLT is finished. My cheap light meter shows 1000 to 2000 Candle Power across the buds. She was putting out trich's but they were small. I took a small bud and tried it, some high but not long lasting.

After 24/0 for a day the trichs are beginning to grow and get longer, very clear but growing longer. She was supposed to be 7-8 weeks from seed and it's been 11 weeks now. I'm hoping the 24/0 light at max power will speed her up.

Do you guys think that more light intensity is needed in finishing well?
 
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