starting flower nutes?

Hey guys,

One week into flowering and just picked up my nutes. Have Budzilla 1 part and headmaster. Budzilla says 8mls will equal 24CF and to use 5mls in soil, Headmaster says to use 2.5mls to 5mls (max recommended) per litre.

Question is should i start them both at full strength or just one or the other?

Cheers!

I would stick to grow nutes until your stretch levels off. For the first 4 weeks or so of flower, your plants will be adding way way more leaf and stem than flower. That means high N demand, and grow nutes. High P and K right at / after 12/12 = blown up plants.

blown up plants?

EDIT: it does recommend to start using it straight away, and ive been using growzilla up until now (veg nute same brand

I find it necessary to keep the N up for 3-4 wks into 12/12 or the plants lose color and run out of gas too soon, but I don't use the nutes that you do.

hmm i might keep mix in a bit of the grow then, cheers guys

lazaah said:

blown up plants?

EDIT: it does recommend to start using it straight away, and ive been using growzilla up until now (veg nute same brand

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Yes, blown up as in curled leaves covered with dead brown spots, followed by leaf drop and buds that never mature (cuz they need the energy produced by the leaves to do that).

I know a lot of nute producers say that -- start using flower nutes right at 12/12. I can't say why .... I've seen a million plants on RIU burned to a crisp from doing this. I've noticed that the producers that say this usually have MJ-type designs on their labels, meant to imply they have some kind of secret inside knowledge of how MJ ticks. Well, MJ is only special in what it does for us, not in how it grows or feeds. When growing, it's just another plant. When it goes into a pipe or joint, it becomes special.

Simply put, they're just wrong -- an annual weedy plant like MJ stretching into the flower phase needs a lot of N, not P and K. Those first four weeks of flower are dominated by vegetative growth. The ideal NPK ratio thru that point is 3-1-2. It's only after the height growth levels off that they really start putting on bud. At that point, the smart move is to go to a formula in a NPK ratio of 1-3-2. And never should the K level be the highest -- which is often true for these "bloom boosters" and whatnot. That's a surefire way to burn your leaves off.

should i start using the headmaster additive, it stimulates kreb cycles/glucose production and increases flower site production

lazaah said:

should i start using the headmaster additive, it stimulates kreb cycles/glucose production and increases flower site production

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Uhhmm... so they say. Anyone who makes those claims to me has to show side-by-side scientific proof first.

A lot of nute producers make these claims, but independent controlled trials of their products show no benefits. NPK and the 13 essential micronutrients (Ca, Mg, Mn, Fe, Zn and the like) are what matters.

Some people believe in these things religiously, and produce good grows, too. But, they're no better than my grows or a lot of other people's who just stick to basics.

One good thing to remember -- MJ often succeeds despite what we do, not because of it.

Well anyways, the Headmaster will likely do no harm, unlike starting bloom nutes too early. So, I'd be less afraid to use it, if it were me.

Cool it smells like molasses to me so i might start using it in conjunction with my superthrive.

+rep buddy cheers