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Your going to wish you watched your ass when your in jail. Cops are fucking ruthless and will get you for anything they can. and you being dumb and saying where u say u live. BTW they sound pretty fucking bored there and have nothing better to do than bust a guy trying to grow 20 plants(which will land you over 1-3 years MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCE. at bestin some states). Id rather be paranoid than in fucking jail getting buttfucked by nasty nate. Who gives a fuck where you order from. I guarentee that LEO is watching HTG supply. No doubt in my mind. just like they are watching Nirvana and RIU. Dude they are out to get you no matter what. Im ganna be laughing on the outside. happy, gettin money, being safe, while your ass is in the pen for 3-5 years, and getting buttfucked by a bunch of big black men, over 20 plants for being stupid. Your choice. Paper trail or none. its that easy.

mal_crane said:

Not to mention, if you're worried about paper trails and government control, then I hope you don't have a driver's license, social security number, birth certificate, public library cards, marriage license, credit cards, grocery market shopper's cards, internet or any kind of utility bill in your name. Come to think of it, if you have ever had a job, paid taxes, went to any kind of school, and especially signed up for the civil service (did you know it is now illegal to be over the age of 18 and a male and not signed up with the civil service). All these things help the government to herd us into niche specific groups in order to control people, so hope you don't have any of those things.

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Wow you answered yourself. If you leave a paper trail from your credit card at the hydro shop, there a reason for the po's to check you out. If you paid in cash an there was no trail, WTF does birth certificates, DL and all the bs have to do with paying in cash? THAT WOULD ALL COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU LEAVE A PAPER TRAIL FROM A CREDIT CARD>

Wow, man, I'm starting to have my doubts about you. Before I reply to that, I'd like to say I've never used a credit card to purchase growing materials because I've never owned a credit card, and never will. I seem to be against paying a third party corporation 20% interest on anything I choose to buy.

Now, on to the reply. First of all, cops are not 'fucking ruthless'. If you do know cops like this, I would seriously consider writing to your local government boards. They are there to uphold the law, not corrupt it. Second, whatever state you're from, I feel terrible for anybody who has to go down for three years for twenty plants. From personal experience, 60 plants in various stages of growth in NYS is punishable by one year in jail and/or $1000 fine, with first time offenders getting their charges dropped to disorderly conduct and a $250 fine. Your state's legislature seems to be on a power trip. Third, if every bored cop in the country was out to get anyone who uses Nirvana, HTG, etc. then wouldn't we all be busted already? Especially those of you ordering something new every couple weeks? Thought so. It appears I'll be the one laughing as soon as I light this doob. Did you see that, Mr. Secret Government Agent Men who are watching every word I type?

billybob88 said:

Wow you answered yourself. If you leave a paper trail from your credit card at the hydro shop, there a reason for the po's to check you out. If you paid in cash an there was no trail, WTF does birth certificates, DL and all the bs have to do with paying in cash? THAT WOULD ALL COME INTO PLAY WHEN YOU LEAVE A PAPER TRAIL FROM A CREDIT CARD>

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Re-read it again there billybob. I was making fun of the paranoid conspiracy theorists that think the government watches and listens to everything we do. And I was using those as examples because all those items are no different than a credit card in information. If you've gotten or had to use any of those examples in any way shape or form the government has just as much information about you as they would get from you using a credit card to buy lights. You need to chill dude. Go ahead and be paranoid about what you want, I'm just stating that I think it is ridiculous to be so paranoid, takes all the fun out of life ...

Whatever man. I cant change my laws by myself and I have to cover my ass. If you dont. put yourself out there to all your police. tell them where you live you basicaly are. please do. I do what I can and I make my shit happen. Way more than you do. I stay paranoid so I dont stay in the pen. GET IT? And if you dont respect me you can suck my balls. I stay safe so I dont end up in jail and I get to enjoy the plant I love to grow. And when im pumping 1.7 GPW and your getting buttfucked by nasty nate over some shit, you'll see.....you'll see.

Man, you have a nasty attitude problem. I'm only being kind debating this with you and here you are becoming extremely agressive. I never said I didn't respect your growing talents either. Must be you've either had past bad experiences with your repetitive friend that keeps popping up, what's his name? Nasty nate is it? Or your buds need a little extra thc production, because whatever you're smoking is clouding your head. I've already told you go ahead and be paranoid. I won't be. Smoke a bowl, get laid or at least find something to do to chill you out.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm, Ever seen Half Baked bro? you should know who nasty nate is. If not, im ashamed im talking to you. I dont have a bad attitude man, I'm just trying to keep dumbasses like youself out of the pen for stupid reasons. I have friends in the pen for stupid mistakes. You must watch every step you take. Every move you make. Im done with this thread. Let me go TEACH HOW TO ROLL elsewhere to people who need the informative knowledge.

Sorry man, I've seen the movie, just prefer to waste my time doing more useful things than staring at a tv screen watching movies that perceive people who smoke as being pathetic, spaced out, sorry excuses for human beings. I myself like to think people who smoke are vibrant, happy, intelligent, fun loving people. And like I've already said, I don't need your help staying out of jail. I won't watch every step I take, and I won't watch every move I make because I have no need to. Way to be condescending too, didn't RIU just post a sticky saying that everyone is sick of the immature name-calling and unneeded verbal abuse? Oh no, he gets to teach people how to roll instead of being at a lower level such as my ganja smoker level. Too bad those terms refer to the amount of posting, not the amount of experience. Have a good night.

And I'm sincerely sorry, nemustang, for the hijacking of your thread too. It wasn't meant to happen.

not really sure what you expected to happen coming in and insulting people trying to keep other people just a little bit safer.

If you'd re-read I didn't throw an insult in anywhere. A bit of sarcasm, yes. Billybob simply took offense to my humor about too many people being overly paranoid in this country. What's life without a little humor? But as me and Billybob both stated we are done and no longer wish to hijack this thread from the user who posted it.

hey i got an idea STOP BITCHING and get back to the main topic

Yeah, How much space are you working with nemustang?

well this is my first post here im so proud. Anyhow imho I would go to the shop. #1. its a 3hr drive that could be a great adventure get a bud to go with you if they are in on everything. if not go alone its a good time to run down the grow in your head step by step. just to make sure you have it all the way thats best for your situation. #2. you can use cash just do the math and bring more than enough i dont believe in growing on credit its a bad way to start. im a cash on the barrel kinda guy #3. you can see the everything up close nothing beats that really nothing like being able to look at two similer items in person to help make a choice. #4.the people at the store are pros just ask direct questions about the products dont mention what you will be growing forget the lame tomato line its just makes you look silly they arent dumb. who would ever grow tomatos in a closet lol. Im just sitting around smoking a bowl waiting for my girl to get home so im starting to rambel sry lol

lol damn that took me awhile to read threw, well thank you all once again for the input you all had good points. we all just need to chill n burn one tho lol Im more than likely just gonna drive n do the cash to save any hassle because im gonna have to order seeds very carefully anyway. Im lookin at about oooh id say 5X6 ft or so id have to measure it, either way I got another space much larger if need be just lookin to do like a double type room with a veg and a flower so I can be fairly steady. Im thinkin 600w hps with a homemade ebb & flow, and for veg t5 s with a tray n just a basic drip with a drain. Nothing real fancy but good enough to get it done pretty well. and planning on like a squirl cage fan probly 4"

mal_crane said:

Why go through such ridiculous troubles when you don't have to? Such paranoia from people here that it makes me laugh sometime. I mean seriously, paper trails? Who cares? If the goverment was looking at credit card receipts of light setups, then I'm pretty sure we'd all have agents living across the street. You guys sound like you're giving tips to serial killers: ALWAYS PAY IN CASH! Oh no, you left a paper trail? I hope I didn't leave a fingerprint at the scene of the crime, digital fingerprint that is lol. Do you really think they are looking for people who are growing like 20 plants? They're after the commercial grow ops, not something as small as this.

However I do have to agree with going to the store to see equipment before you buy it. And if you're already at the store then whats the point in paying with a cc.

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ok well lets say you pay with plastic buy a light, tent, nutes, soil, fan, and some extra poly or a t-5 for clones. if that shop were to get busted a year down the road for either selling drugs or an employee owning a grow room the dea and law enforcement would prob wonder who else they are enabling to grow marijuana. they will look at credit receipts since cash is untraceable and they will wonder why you bought all your shit. just remember you live in america and the govt hates you. they want to screw you every opportunity they get

doctorD said:

well this is my first post here im so proud. Anyhow imho I would go to the shop. #1. its a 3hr drive that could be a great adventure get a bud to go with you if they are in on everything. if not go alone its a good time to run down the grow in your head step by step. just to make sure you have it all the way thats best for your situation. #2. you can use cash just do the math and bring more than enough i dont believe in growing on credit its a bad way to start. im a cash on the barrel kinda guy #3. you can see the everything up close nothing beats that really nothing like being able to look at two similer items in person to help make a choice. #4.the people at the store are pros just ask direct questions about the products dont mention what you will be growing forget the lame tomato line its just makes you look silly they arent dumb. who would ever grow tomatos in a closet lol. Im just sitting around smoking a bowl waiting for my girl to get home so im starting to rambel sry lol

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Why is it silly to grow tomatoes in a grow box? Look at my past threads. I've grown everything right along side my weed; tomatoes, corn, peppers, cucumbers, lilac bushes, apple trees, cactus, and hundreds of houseplants.

i never said it was silly to do so just that you look silly at the grow shop doing the "im growing tomotoes" thing although now that you mention it... the only reason i grow with lights is that i cant grow outside or i would last time i looked you could grow tomatoes outside with no prop. sure its a long winter but would you pay thousands to have a tom in feb? if so ill sell you a shitload ill just stop by the store and pock up a bag for you. I to have put other plants im my room to nurse them back to health, my gf could kill a plastic plant lol like most people she overwaters all her plants. anyhow i was just saying that you shouldnt offer up any info you dont need to and that includes fake stories to get the guy at the shop off your trail its just not needed.

Lol where are the thousands of dollars coming from? I choose to grow my own vegetable gardens to avoid toxic chemicals sprayed on the fruit bought in supermarkets, and last I knew you can't grow vegetables in the winter, hence the reason for the light comes into play. For all they know you could own a greenhouse and are just looking to add to your light sources to begin germing for your spring sales. All I'm saying is don't go in without something to say about the reasons for purchasing the lighting setup because they'll think you're acting suspicious and trying to hide the real reason why you're in there. Sure, don't tell them that you're looking to grow tomatoes if you don't want to but don't alarm them that you might be doing something illegal with the lights. They don't want to sell a marijuana grower lights in fear of getting busted anymore than you want them to know what you are using them for.