Stabilization, Crossing a Male With a Hermie?

What's up y'all. Now for the life of me I cannot find any information on crossing males and hermies. Only hermies with females and whatnot. My question is, will crossing a male with a hermie create more stable seeds? I'm not looking for feminized, just seeds that will be male or strong females, and not revert to herming? I have read somewhere that most males, bagseed or not, are stable. Can anyone back that statement up. Thanks in advance.

I know someone has a intelligent answer to this one. Thanks. BSG

I dont know. But here is how I got rid of hermie.
Iv'e heard it here several times every female plant has the ability to produce both sexes at the same time. Usually unrecognized stress caused by over feeding is what causes "hermie" in the first place. I have clones from a mother brought up from seed, she hermied on me big time. Almost every flower had a couple male parts, her two daughters are twins. Both came off the same branch. Neither of the two daughters have shown male parts now in 3rd week flowering, cool. the only thing changed was fertilizer. Now when I go from veg to flower they only get bat guano dusted on top of the soil every other watering for the first 3 weeks. Then you can start giving flowering nutes working gradually and gently. I now know less is really more in a really huge way. The bat guano is the best source for Phosphate, you want pure bat guano that is not nitrogen enriched!!!!!!!!!! I can't stress that enough. Your girls will get plently of nitrogen from your diluted ferts that you are gradually adding. There is no way you can hurt your girls with to much guano.

Thanks for the response my friend. Yep, bat guano is my go to fert. I have both the jamaican and mexican ones. One is high in N while the other is in K. I gradually hit 'em with the ferts. so I do believe my main culprit was bad light scheduling and high heat. I was in the high 90's for a week and a half during veg, and I also went out of town for a week and went to switch to 12/12. Well it was a manual timer and I fucked up. I ended up setting it to 22/2 or more like 11/1/11/1. lol. They were only set for 1 hour, every 11 hours, for 10 days. Doh

I am just trying to find out if male bagseed is stable or not? It looks like a real good plant. As does the one that just hermied on me. More to the indica side, and very citrusy smelling. You think cloning would be worth it?

SOme plants do naturally "herm" as it is part of their genetic code, and i have heard iof a few ways to reverse it so to speak. if you have a plant that you know is a natural herm, or is unstable genetically, you can apply somethin like dutchmaster reverse. I have used it personally and it works, just as long as the plant is a naturAl herm, not a stress herm. As far as stabilizing the genes goes, idk.

actually, i think it goes that you cross the herm pollen with the female, then take that strain and recross a male and a female. i think. dont quote me on it.

Well I too am trying to figure this out. I've already started an experiment. I have intentionally pollenated a stable girl with the hermie pollen. I will try a few different options. I will update this thread when the time comes. If anyone has any suggestions I'm open to try as many different theory's as possible. In another 3 weeks or so I will have plenty of healthy beans from the hermie and the stable girl. Until then, Chef

I've only once played with hermaphrodites in an experiment to make female seeds, because its female seeds I was after I culled all "normally/naturally" male plants.
The reason behind this was simply that I did not believe that hermaphrodites can produce only female seeds, just that the pollen made by hermaphroditic plants is missing some genetic information required to create "normal/natural" male seeds. Therefore in my understanding your hermaphroditic pant can be pollinated by a "true/natural" male and produce some male seeds, however having its own pollen right there (all the time) I find it unlikely that you will be able to exclude enough of her own pollen to yield reliable results.

Here's the biggest Issue I see... If you do successfully outside pollinate a hermaphrodite (which should be possible, just less likely) the only way you would know you had seceded is if you found a male plant amongst the seeds (and what good does that male do you?). The very next seed over in the same bud could very well be born of the hermaphrodite pollen..

Another thought/perspective is simply that seeds pulled from your hermaphroditic mother are the only ones you should have to worry about being "genetically weak" and the only reason is that every recessive trait is twice as represented in the seeds pollinated by herself (which could work against you). Its pollen from hermaphrodites that is used to make feminized plants (atleast was when I did it).
We have all seen feminized seeds grow some nice plants at this point (though I don't believe seedbanks sell the seeds directly from the hermaphrodites bud).
Here's the interesting bit if you hatched out those seeds there may be a chance that you will encounter a higher proportion of mutants and recessive traits, however some might express her most desirable traits too. If you have that situation and you want to stabilize that trait in future offspring (stabilizing the strain/phenotype) what I think you would want to do is obtain some "regular" seeds grow them out and select the most robust male with the stature you are going after and breed them. (you may want to preserve cuttings from the "favorable mutation mother" as you may want to back cross her into subsequent generations, if her most desirable trait thins out in subsequent generations (It could be a recessive trait after all).

Keep in mind this is all speculation... I have not begun a serious breeding program yet (only played with feminized seeds years ago because i didn't believe the roomers floating around at the time). I am sure there is alot I have to learn to become as successful a breeder as I would like to be some day..

There are some threads around here exclusively dedicated to breeding, I bet there are a few guys/ladies around those arias that could offer alot more incite (and first hand experience) than I can..

There's a guy here that spoke of useing Colchicine to produce polyploid plants. which could be really interesting if those results were expressed in subsequent generations from breeding a female with a hermaphrodite that have both been manipulated in this fashion, it might help overcome concerns about "genetic weakness" Most interestingly to me is that it seems you might be able to fortify a "freak" so that its trait were more consistently expressed in subsequent generations "make it more stable" (mind you this is all speculation and I have not looked into it at any depth, I'm not simply not "there" yet).
Female and Feminized Seed seems to touch on it a little.


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