SST (sprouted seed tea) do's and donts?

st0wandgrow said:

Or, you could just make the SST's and put them in ice cube trays in the freezer, then thaw and use as needed.

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See this is what I originally posed as a solution, since I saw in the AACT thread that you said people can, and have been doing this successfully. And it makes good intuitive sense because all kinds of enzymes are stored this way (frozen/low temps) throughout the science and medical fields. Here's my trouble though: do you just let it thaw out in the sunlight? seems like uv might be a bit of a problem there? so then I got to thinking, if i only need a day or two buffer, couldn't i just refrigerate the slurry paste for a day or so before use? any problems there?
The tip I got was in reference to this suggestion and it was basically: "i wouldn't use anything other than fresh made, but what I do is slow down the sprouting rate so i can just grab some barley sprouts when i need to and blend them up on the spot." Potentially good advice on its face, but when you start to think about it, you're just adding another layer of the guessing game to your SST.

If you want maximal enzyme production, you wait until the sprout is 1"-1.5" before the pureé, no? so just placing them in the refridgerator gets you a whole bunch of sprouts sprouting at roughly the same, now slower, rate. if you knew you weren't going to need them for 3 days, why wouldn't you just hold off on starting the process? the point is not knowing whether it will be 2-4 days between waterings, which is generally only a problem until you've found your rhythm with the genetics. and, its generally only a problem in veg and early flower, since you're probably not going to go 5+ days inside, in containers, unless their 7gal+ containers. add in air-pruning pots and that drops the number of days even further so that the SSTs can fall right in line with the usual routine of AACTs, and nutrient teas, with their 24-48hr bubbling periods. if you start a tea, and start sprouting barley at the same time, the barley should be ready to blend and add to your tea right when your tea is done, all of which, if you're learning your plants, happens propitiously as your plants need some more water.

long and short of all this, i'm going back to just having 3 mason jars of frozen SST paste in the fridge, taking out in the am of a watering day, placing out of direct sunlight, and letting it thaw naturally. sound good? sounds good to me!
gonna go dump some lactobacilli on my compost now. be easy!
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A member of another forum freezes the SST in a concentrated form in the ice cube trays, then adds them to his water bucket. He warms the water a bit prior to adding the cubes which obviously melts them within minutes.

st0wandgrow said:

A member of another forum freezes the SST in a concentrated form in the ice cube trays, then adds them to his water bucket. He warms the water a bit prior to adding the cubes which obviously melts them within minutes.

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yep just thought of this too. i usually (around this time of year) am brewing my teas with a thermostatic aquarium heater that keeps the water between 68 and 72*; in that environment, a couple sst ice cubes around hour 40 (for a 42hr brew) should be ready to go by tea time. thanks stow!
be easy,

Hey StownGrow,

Any suggestions for how I can preserve all this fresh cut Stinging Nettle I have?

DankSwag

I use treated tap to soak barley, as it's an easy/cheap resource. Usually takes me a day to get a sprout. I wait til the shortest sprouts are roughly the length of the seed (some are around an inch) then purée. I recently started aerating overnight, quickly, or for a day...feed with a nute tea, and then follow with the SST. No runoff. I swear it's plant steroids.

DANKSWAG said:

Hey StownGrow,

Any suggestions for how I can preserve all this fresh cut Stinging Nettle I have?

DankSwag

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That depends what you mean by preserve. Freezing them in those vacuum freezer bags would certainly preserve the nutrient value but would alter the cellular structure and make them a quite flaccid upon thawing.

What are you looking to use them for down the line?

Stowngrow,

I certainly will not be eating them as if they were fresh in a salad or some type of meal.

If I want to sell product to organic restaurant I am sure I would have to rinse nettles and supply day for them to cook with, haven't cleaned any and put in fridge for any period of time to observe overall condition of nettle leaves how long they can stay in a state to be used in fresh cooking.

Now I know I can dried and crush and save nettle leaves for tea use.

Now concerning attempting to harvest large qualities and store (preserve) them for use through out the year as a soil amendment, would it be better to use dried nettle verse nettle lightly steamed at harvest and then frozen for later use?

Also curious say in fall when nettle is woody and all leaves have been harvested, would collecting the stalks (I know you can make a tincture from roots) and just letting them dry and then using them whenever by soaking them in water would there still be enough beneficial biology activators there to water soil with?

One thing I do recall ineffective as foliage spray for it works specifically with the soil web. So the neat thing having a lot even after I use some as green manure in my compost pile I want to store and preserve as much as possible to use for personal health and soil health throughout the year. That is the goal since I can't harvest and use all year round, well at least not till I build a green house the winter here they will not survive.

I also enjoyed what this herbalist shared on them. http://www.traditionalherbalist.com/Articles/nettle.html
DankSwag

I use dried nettle along with dried horsetail among other things in every water. Pure organic no till soil. I'm at about day 30 and have to tie my plant up. By far the most productive grow ever.

I also feel that with every other aspect in life diversity is the most important. So I've been doing alfalfa, barley, wheatgrass, and diastatic malt. In rotation. I also have navitas powdered wheatgrass which I add 1tsp every other water. I also have a few diff FPE's that I add in now n then also.

Tjingles, sounds pretty sweet. so you're using the alfalfa throughout flowering? no problems from the triacontanol?

Not a single one honestly. I also use a kale and alfalfa fpe at like 2-3tbs per 5 gal brew. Every other water or so. There about a month and I'm seeing tricombs start to form on some fan leaves. I also have some fruit based fpe's banana mango and papaya and another that's strawberry,tomato,gogi, acaie.they have been growing so well I still have a hard time believing it lol.

I've been considering trying some organic rishi wild berry black tea to water with to alter the end flavor but I'm not sure how they'll respond to the small amount of caffeine in the black tea

I read a recent post where Coot advocated using malted barley rather than fresh sprouted seeds. It's made by combining ground malted barley ( or other malted grain) with water. It can be bubbled or not I went ahead and grabbed some "American" barley and followed Coots directions. After a soil drench it looked to me like 2 out of three plants surged in growth and one got down to flowering. I got that response only the first time I applied. The second dose didn't elicit much response but plants were under TSSM attack at the time. I plan to add a dose (1/4 oz per 4 gal) to a batch of AACT. Plants are well budded 6 weeks 12/12.

I can't say if the malted works as well as the fresh. I have no exp w fresh.
Coot seems to present the malted method as if it were just as effective.

Anyone else tried out the malted grain technique

I'd be curious if anyone has any experience with both fresh seeds and the malt, is either better? Both the same?

Many thanks!
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Chronikool in the led section does or did both seed and flour. My smaller girls don't like the nettle in the tea and foliar. The larger ones loved it . weird

Whats the fresh malt recipe agiaan? Cant seem to find it..

From experience, i dont aereate sst unless im adding kelp/alfalfa in which case ill brew 24hrs prior to adding sst.
Ive done both aerate sst and just straight blend then water, and noticed no diffrence.

i think you can find the recipe at buildasoil

Seems to me the fresh sprouted seeds would be better then the malted barely powder. I tried the powder once, didn't see much if any results. I tried the SST recipe and the girls went crazy. So I've stuck with SST and never looked back. It could very well have been a user error when I tried the malted barely, so I'm wondering what other peoples' experience with this is?

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It was just a laziness thing.... 'Diastatic Malt Powder'

This shit does have a limited shelf life.....straight into the compost bins and worm bins for the little bit that is left...i just ordered some more....$7 delivered for 250grams >>>>> i use it at 5-15 grams per gallon.... (depending on if i can find the right measuring spoon.... ) soil drench only...

A few links to @Cann and @headtreep Diastatic Malt Powder posts......

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/page-31#post-9113853

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/page-37#post-9147332

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/page-44#post-9196487

https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/page-52#post-9288486

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Thanks!!

foreverflyhi said:

Thanks!!

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Fuck i was bored wasnt i.....

Organic Diastatic Malt powder .......Milled yesterday....got to me today....not sure if freshness affects anything...probably..