Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

Sr. Verde

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Jilly bean wax? Oh thats my dream man! I got 3 regular jilly seeds lying in wait!!

You GOTTA show me the plants that came from :D.. How well did the jilly grow? I've heard mixed reviews about the grow, but pretty much everyone I've heard LOVES the smoke/taste/effects!
 

irieie

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Jilly bean wax? Oh thats my dream man! I got 3 regular jilly seeds lying in wait!!

You GOTTA show me the plants that came from :D.. How well did the jilly grow? I've heard mixed reviews about the grow, but pretty much everyone I've heard LOVES the smoke/taste/effects!
it is a medium plant to grow. big stretch and heavy yield but a lot of branching so canopy maintenance is key. here is a pick of the plants. i still have this pheno going. very skunky orange smell and taste. the high is very uplifting and sativa. many patients find an anti-depressant effect from the high.
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Sr. Verde

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They look exellent! I will have to give it a go after I run this white widow next!

Last questions: What was the flower time total, and rough size difference between day 1 flower and the last day of flower?

I just wanted to get you while your here :)
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
They look exellent! I will have to give it a go after I run this white widow next!

Last questions: What was the flower time total, and rough size difference between day 1 flower and the last day of flower?

I just wanted to get you while your here :)
The stretch is about 2.5 times but you can mitigate it if you scrog. This strain branches a lot in flower so I suggest heavy pruning on under growth to boost top bud size. I flowered in about 60 days from 12/12 could have gone a little longer I like to harvest with little to no amber. At 60 there was maybe 5-10% amber the rest cloudy. She does develop most of her Chrystal's late though as well as her smell.

PS: you can ask me as many questions as you would like. I spend a lot of tike in the az section but now that I posted here I am subbed. For good reason too his thread is pretty killer. Real heads up in here.
 

Sr. Verde

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Here is some pineapple express 56 days into 12/12.




Waiting for it to ripen up! After a nice cure it should run some gooood BHO! :D
 

ENDLSCYCLE

Well-Known Member
I'm just amazed at the yields I get when using the turkey baster with coffee filters...7gs of bud to 1g of oil and not even using half a can of 'tane.....when using the okeif extraction tube using around 24gs of bud I barely get two....if that.......Verde....what am I doing wrong????.....I think its my blasting method....when releasing tane i spray for 10 seconds then stop for ten..then repeat till can is empty....making sure to never remove the can to keep the pressure heading out the filter end......I feel I'm releasing too fast when using the okeif tube and the oil freezes inside the tube with the butane before it even makes it to the filter....should I release in shorter burst and pause longer in between?????

I'm prepping 24gs of bud now to go in four basters using only one of the large cans of vector...I think I'm done with the okeif tube.
 

Sr. Verde

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Well how are you preparing your herb before you pack it? I grind it uniformly in a 4 piece grinder so the pieces are the same sized chunks. You certainly don't want dust. You could have some non-uniformity issues going around causing some spots to get more butane and some spots to stay dry.. I also hold a can down until its gone, then use another 1/4 of a can for an oz of bud.

I spray in okeif tubes and get 4-6g of oil back from 28 g all day... Usually 3.5-4 for an oz trim.
 

ENDLSCYCLE

Well-Known Member
I do run through a grinder as well....its just a SweetLeaf two piece tho....maybe should try my four piece...It would be a little more broke up ,but not too much different.

So your saying you just straight up run through a can???....no stopping at all till the cans gone??? Last run I did through the okeif tube, I emptied the tube immediately after ,and it had damn near golden ice chunks throughout the trash.....and thats with the periodic stopping.....?????
 

Sr. Verde

Well-Known Member
It just sounds like your not getting a good flow. Not sure exactly what the problem is. Just pack it loose and chunky. And a two piece grinder means your manually grinding it down to a certain size until you choose to stop, use a four piece, where it falls through the holes once its the size of the hole. That way it's all uniform size, and it doesn't clog up in the tube.
 

ENDLSCYCLE

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After posting that I thought,What a dumb ass...of course the four piece is gonna break it up more....so......with four basters loaded up with 7gs each using one 447ml can on all four...yielded 4.5gs....my best run yet....yeah me!!!
With that larger can I just blasted each baster till it started to run clear then counted to ten then went to the next baster....the last, one once it started to run clear I was able to count to 15 so I was pretty close on equaling the butane usage on the four basters with one can.
....and 447ml in a 11"x7" pyrex pan is alot of fkn butane!!!

..........edit......
Ok....so that's way too much oil to whip and hope like hell you got most the 'tane out....I've had GREAT results in the past whipping small amounts but this is unreal....I'll be picking up that HarborFreight vac pump, any ideas on what to get for a vac chamber.....I like this one but it's kinda pricey
http://www.amazon.com/Nalgene-Vacuum-Chamber-Nalgene®/dp/B001CL4BIS
 

Sr. Verde

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After posting that I thought,What a dumb ass...of course the four piece is gonna break it up more....so......with four basters loaded up with 7gs each using one 447ml can on all four...yielded 4.5gs....my best run yet....yeah me!!!
With that larger can I just blasted each baster till it started to run clear then counted to ten then went to the next baster....the last, one once it started to run clear I was able to count to 15 so I was pretty close on equaling the butane usage on the four basters with one can.
....and 447ml in a 11"x7" pyrex pan is alot of fkn butane!!!

..........edit......
Ok....so that's way too much oil to whip and hope like hell you got most the 'tane out....I've had GREAT results in the past whipping small amounts but this is unreal....I'll be picking up that HarborFreight vac pump, any ideas on what to get for a vac chamber.....I like this one but it's kinda pricey
http://www.amazon.com/Nalgene-Vacuum-Chamber-Nalgene®/dp/B001CL4BIS
This should save you a couple $$. http://www.opticsplanet.com/nalge-nunc-vacuum-chambers-nalgene-5305-0609.html

It's exactly what I use, and the same place I got it from. I'd reccomend picking up the harbor freight pump at a local store, they are SUPER easy to damage during shipping. The one on the front of the rack at the store was leaking oil, so I grabbed the one in the back. AFTER Amazon took 2 weeks to send me a faulty pump that had been damaged in shipping (took another 2 weeks to get my money back) :shock:.

Congrats on the erllz, I ususally run 3 tubes pulling 4-5g of sap per tube into a 8x5 pyrex pan.. Gets to be a lot of GOO :lol: Speaking of which I need to make a new run soon!
 

jdro

Well-Known Member
After posting that I thought,What a dumb ass...of course the four piece is gonna break it up more....so......with four basters loaded up with 7gs each using one 447ml can on all four...yielded 4.5gs....my best run yet....yeah me!!!
With that larger can I just blasted each baster till it started to run clear then counted to ten then went to the next baster....the last, one once it started to run clear I was able to count to 15 so I was pretty close on equaling the butane usage on the four basters with one can.
....and 447ml in a 11"x7" pyrex pan is alot of fkn butane!!!

..........edit......
Ok....so that's way too much oil to whip and hope like hell you got most the 'tane out....I've had GREAT results in the past whipping small amounts but this is unreal....I'll be picking up that HarborFreight vac pump, any ideas on what to get for a vac chamber.....I like this one but it's kinda pricey
http://www.amazon.com/Nalgene-Vacuum-Chamber-Nalgene®/dp/B001CL4BIS

You never want to whip your bho. All whipping is doing is making it complex with water and form wax hydrates. That is water complexed chemically with the wax to make the opaque matrix that contains the actual resin. This matrix can be broken by dry alcohols or heat. The described matrix also binds with hydrogen bonding to the solvents used.
The act of "whipping" is used to incorporate materials into a matrix and this is exactly what "budder" is, a stabilized matrix of waxes, resins, water and solvent.

And also the act of whipping even material not purged into water will cause water to precipitate from the static humidity in the air as it is cooling as it evaporates causing condensation in the product. Indeed the only reason "budder" is opaque is the complexed water and consequently solvent. Whipping is no good.
 

dankshizzle

Glassblowing Moderator
Definately dont "devo" your bho. Evenn the act of scraping your pyrex int good. Look up oil slicks on amazon.com. Thats how u get perfect shatter. Spray and purge the same thing. No agitation.
 

ENDLSCYCLE

Well-Known Member
You never want to whip your bho. All whipping is doing is making it complex with water and form wax hydrates. That is water complexed chemically with the wax to make the opaque matrix that contains the actual resin. This matrix can be broken by dry alcohols or heat. The described matrix also binds with hydrogen bonding to the solvents used.
The act of "whipping" is used to incorporate materials into a matrix and this is exactly what "budder" is, a stabilized matrix of waxes, resins, water and solvent.

And also the act of whipping even material not purged into water will cause water to precipitate from the static humidity in the air as it is cooling as it evaporates causing condensation in the product. Indeed the only reason "budder" is opaque is the complexed water and consequently solvent. Whipping is no good.
I'm super baked and this is a little complex right now...lol
But honestly a "budder" texture is more what I'm after...never been a huge fan of the runny,syrupy,sticky ass oil....I like something I can handle..take dunks instead of dabs...after talking to verde today about vac purging, I decided to ghetto rig the intake side of my air compressor and rig it up to a mason jar....actually worked pretty good....did three purges and all three times it purged out to a nice little muffin of oil....then it was runny again so I whipped...lol....It's by far the best I've made, so I'm happy!!!! Will be getting a real vac pump in the near future....thinking the mason jar will do just fine for now.
 
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