Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

DreamTime

DreamTime

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WaxTaster said:
Ok, I have a question about vacuum purging and I figured this would be the place to ask it since there are a few experienced hash heads here. I've been looking for a good quality vacuum pump because I am sick of the little hand pump, but I LOVE the results it gives, quite clean, it's just not economical.
I'm not about all the "Vacuum purge on the cheap" type threads and ideas, I want to do it right (as right as one can without a vent hood that is) so the question is: What are the best options when looking at vacuums pumps?

It seems obvious to me that I need a 2-stage over a 1-stage pump as the 2-stage pulls a deeper vacuum and more quickly, but CFM doesn't seem to matter unless I get a larger vac chamber.

I'd rather not have to spend more than $200 on a pump/vac-meter/hoses, I have everything else I need except lube for my desiccator(suggestions?). I've been looking at the 2 pumps at Harbor Freight (1-stage) http://www.harborfreight.com/25-cfm-vacuum-pump-98076.html (2-stage) http://www.harborfreight.com/two-stage-3-cfm-air-vacuum-pump-66466.html and the Vac Tester: http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-pump-and-vacuum-tester-93547.html

I dunno if I like the cheaper one, but I'm always a little iffy on harbor freights *brand*. So I guess really all I'd like to know is what is a good option for a starter Vacuum pump in the range of $150-200. How long will the pump last, how much oil will it take to maintain, and really just overall whats the best bang for one's buck that doesn't totally destroy the wallet?
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I use this pump: http://www.amazon.com/FJC-6905-Vacuum-Pump-1-5/dp/B002DMZA2G/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1334439490&sr=8-5 It only costs $85. It’s a 2-stage 1.5cfm and it works great. Done at least 10 runs with it and haven’t had a problem.

IMO the cfm doesn't matter. The size of the vacuum chambers we use are so small that even my little 1.5cfm pump will hit full vacuum on my chamber in less than 2 minutes.
 
WaxTaster

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So I ended up getting the 2 stage 3 cfm pump from harbor freight coming out to $168 and some change, there were some cheaper options, but I did not feel comfortable going any cheaper because I believe firmly in the mantra "You get what you pay for". I was just reminded of this lesson with my cheap desiccator... if $70 for a 180mm desiccator is cheap, but yea, it actually is in the desiccator market...
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I just decided to use a glass mason jar with a hole drilled in the top(not perfect, but it's what I had handy and releases nice and slow when pump turns off), screwed in the right sized fitting, attached a hose and vacuum meter that goes up to 28hg and then the pump... turned it on, and because I am OCD I vac'd it probably 15-20 times and here is the result:
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It's Sour D. the last bits of what a friend had, I would be sad to see it go if there wasn't so much Sour D. in this county, it'll be back next week ;-)

Now who wants to try some?!
 
oakley1984

oakley1984

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WaxTaster said:
This is beautiful man, so now I have to ask, have you ever tried making any of this into Budders? I'm pretty sure the guy who came public with original budders tek said they used etoh or iso, but it's easier to get budders with butane. Just wondering, since you know, budders is STILL all the rage >.<
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kk the guy your referring to is budderking, and he is in vancouver bc... couple hrs away from me

theres actually a dispensary in vancouver that ive been trying to make my way to that sells budderkings budder


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YES
YES GOD YES!!!!!

and it FUCKING DESTROYS butane based budder!
BUT 1 in like 15 strains will budder up properly with iso
the rest kind of turn into a crystally paste never quite losing the moisture content like bho
 
WaxTaster

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Dan Kone said:
I passed my test!

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So no solvents and no benzene and other cancer crap? WOOT!


oakley1984 said:
kk the guy your referring to is budderking, and he is in vancouver bc... couple hrs away from me

theres actually a dispensary in vancouver that ive been trying to make my way to that sells budderkings budder


That aside



YES
YES GOD YES!!!!!

and it FUCKING DESTROYS butane based budder!
BUT 1 in like 15 strains will budder up properly with iso
the rest kind of turn into a crystally paste never quite losing the moisture content like bho
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Right, I remember reading that only a few strains would budders under an iso or etoh wash, but NOBODY I know even fucks with iso, and they're ALL trying to make crumble, which is is like the over dried budders it seems, but the people I know who make the "crumble" use a multi step process and won't share because they don't know me well enough, and I'm just not willing to pony up materials so that someone else can learn and then in turn teach me...

Your iso looks killer and I've only made something kind of close once, but most iso around here is black or green...
You workin with any budder strains now? Man I'd love to see some pics of REAL budder from someone other than the guy who came public with it (I know his name, but I hate acknowledging anyone who refers to themselves as 'king' especially when they probably didn't real come up with said technique they're the self-proclaimed 'king' of)

Anyways, one of these days I'm going to try some ISO again, but really I would want to get into fractional distillation so I can get the terpenes and essential oils to replace them since ISO doesn't pull that many unless it pulls much more also...
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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OUCH.

This is why it's not "safe" to use anything but vacuum chambers when dealing with high pressure vacuum extractions.

This is the chamber I use, just for a reference, Wax Tester :)
http://www.opticsplanet.net/nalge-nunc-vacuum-chambers-nalgene-5305-0609.html


WaxTaster said:
How are you liking it so far? I can't wait to get mine, it's in the works right now
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I'm digging it so far... Pretty easy to use - especially for someone like myself who must heavily medicate by taking around 20 dabs a day..

Who is working on your ti tube? :)
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
jdro said:
Budders is the rage? I think quite the contrary. Whipping is out. Amber glass is in.
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this is true among those in the know.
Dan Kone said:
False. 99/100 dispensaries want non-stick wax. That's because that is what most people buy. Wax right now is the single most desirable cannabis product in Northern California.
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this is changing fast and will not be true next year. they stores are always behind.

1st hand formed dome by Andy Roth, solid color on the bottom part.


Style points on the road dabs kit for matching the rig and torch.
 
WaxTaster

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Sr. Verde said:
This is the chamber I use, just for a reference, Wax Tester :)
http://www.opticsplanet.net/nalge-nunc-vacuum-chambers-nalgene-5305-0609.html



I'm digging it so far... Pretty easy to use - especially for someone like myself who must heavily medicate by taking around 20 dabs a day..

Who is working on your ti tube? :)
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Those chambers seem to be what I see the most often in videos and referenced and such, but I prefer the desiccator style, more uses I guess.

And about the Ti-Tube, Astronaut Glass yo, was there someone else makin em? lol

Matt Rize said:
this is true among those in the know.

this is changing fast and will not be true next year. they stores are always behind.

1st hand formed dome by Andy Roth, solid color on the bottom part.


Style points on the road dabs kit for matching the rig and torch.
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Love the speck, and that dome is pretty clean for his first! And yea, you know I'm slowly finding that In some cases I really like the ambers and some cases I really like the waxes, but when it comes to ice water if it ain't waxy then meh... Either way doesn't matter much to me what's in the clubs, I usually make my own medicine, hate paying such outrageous prices for a plant...
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
WaxTaster said:
Those chambers seem to be what I see the most often in videos and referenced and such, but I prefer the desiccator style, more uses I guess.

And about the Ti-Tube, Astronaut Glass yo, was there someone else makin em? lol

Love the speck, and that dome is pretty clean for his first! And yea, you know I'm slowly finding that In some cases I really like the ambers and some cases I really like the waxes, but when it comes to ice water if it ain't waxy then meh... Either way doesn't matter much to me what's in the clubs, I usually make my own medicine, hate paying such outrageous prices for a plant...
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Its just astronaut right now. Biters will soon be copying his designs.
I only pay for certain items in dispensaries, and they are the stuff I can't make, mostly CBD rich medicine like Alta California's tinctures. Al Coles is the man.
 
WaxTaster

WaxTaster

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Matt Rize said:
Its just astronaut right now. Biters will soon be copying his designs.
I only pay for certain items in dispensaries, and they are the stuff I can't make, mostly CBD rich medicine like Alta California's tinctures. Al Coles is the man.
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Is that a glycerin tincture or alcohol? all my tinctures are alcohol but likely not high in CBD... I just don't like the liquor, I'm a beer man lol thinking about making the switch to glycerin but alcohol is just so easy to recap...

You know, thinking about it, since alcohol is a solvent, wouldn't making alcohol-based tinctures technically be a felony under California law? Or did I just miss the part that said they're ok too?
 
WaxTaster

WaxTaster

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So, when it was being made, someone forgot to switch filters after a few runs and knock a fair bit of ice into so it sizzles, but it's smooth... any advice for removing the sizzle other than spreading it out in a pan or putting it in a desiccator? Sigh, how easy things would be if mine hadn't broke...
 
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biglungs

Active Member
WaxTaster said:
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So, when it was being made, someone forgot to switch filters after a few runs and knock a fair bit of ice into so it sizzles, but it's smooth... any advice for removing the sizzle other than spreading it out in a pan or putting it in a desiccator? Sigh, how easy things would be if mine hadn't broke...
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spread thin put in food dehydrator on 90-100 deg. overnight
 
researchkitty

researchkitty

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Sizzle just sounds like smoking reclaim, the water wont hurt a thing. It'll evaporate if you just leave it alone with minimal air exchange.
 
DreamTime

DreamTime

Member
WaxTaster said:
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So, when it was being made, someone forgot to switch filters after a few runs and knock a fair bit of ice into so it sizzles, but it's smooth... any advice for removing the sizzle other than spreading it out in a pan or putting it in a desiccator? Sigh, how easy things would be if mine hadn't broke...
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Dissolve it in 99% ISO. Freeze the mixture for 24 hours or more. Filter the freezing cold ISO mix through a coffee filter and purge. The water, and just about every other remaining impurity will be gone.
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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WaxTaster said:
And about the Ti-Tube, Astronaut Glass yo, was there someone else makin em? lol
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Matt Rize said:
Its just astronaut right now. Biters will soon be copying his designs.
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Yeah I was just curious if anyone else was making them... Astronaut must really be the pioneer then eh? :)

Rock N Roll! You guys will dig your tubes.. Its like a swing, but better.. I like being able to spread the oil all around the tube and have it vapor off really even..

That being said I need a little vapor curve to add to my collection! like a c6 mini mammoth or something.. But I can't find anything for sale! Anyone have any recommendations on a tiny, reliable vapor swing oil rig? :)
 
WaxTaster

WaxTaster

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DreamTime said:
Dissolve it in 99% ISO. Freeze the mixture for 24 hours or more. Filter the freezing cold ISO mix through a coffee filter and purge. The water, and just about every other remaining impurity will be gone.
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I don't really wish to lose what terpenes I still have unless you want to bring over some essential oil to replace them :P


Sr. Verde said:
Yeah I was just curious if anyone else was making them... Astronaut must really be the pioneer then eh? :)

Rock N Roll! You guys will dig your tubes.. Its like a swing, but better.. I like being able to spread the oil all around the tube and have it vapor off really even..

That being said I need a little vapor curve to add to my collection! like a c6 mini mammoth or something.. But I can't find anything for sale! Anyone have any recommendations on a tiny, reliable vapor swing oil rig? :)
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Yea, I dig the idea of starting my dab near the top of the tube and having it run down the sides and vape off... seems like the ultimate way to conduction heat DMT too though I never would off a nail or swing or tube...

And I've been informed that the smokeshop I frequent is going to be getting some "Ti-tubes", which means either AG is already being copied or a few of his tubes have been bought for resale... I know I'm going to support the artist!
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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biglungs said:
where can i order one of those ti tubes??? i dont do facebook is thr an email for astronaut glass????
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He says high priority glass will have them soon..

But for now he's only doing private orders, so he can get them completed fast.

I was just on the phone with him he said go to his facebook > http://www.facebook.com/astronautglass for the ti tubes. He has an album of available Ti Tubes that you guys can purchase right off his facebook. I'd probably +friend him and send him a message or wall post.

I told him to come on here and to say hi, and maybe make a thread in the glass section ..... so we will see :).
 
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biglungs

Active Member
Sr. Verde said:
He says high priority glass will have them soon..

But for now he's only doing private orders, so he can get them completed fast.

I was just on the phone with him he said go to his facebook > http://www.facebook.com/astronautglass for the ti tubes. He has an album of available Ti Tubes that you guys can purchase right off his facebook. I'd probably +friend him and send him a message or wall post.

I told him to come on here and to say hi, and maybe make a thread in the glass section ..... so we will see :).
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well that sux not gonna sign up for facebook just to order one :sad: guess i have to wait
 
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