Spicysativa's Cheese Quake Grow

Have any of you seen a little burn after applying an AACT brew to your plants in Super Soil? I'm not talking guano tea, just worm castings, molasses, bit of kelp, and a little splash of fish hydrolysate (maybe 2 TBSP in 5-gal). It seems like if it was going to burn, that would have happened earlier on... That makes me suspect this might be something else...

I will try to get some pictures this evening.

do you dilute your tea? do you check the ppms?

I don't dilute the tea, or check its ppms. It shouldn't have much at all in the way of NPK, just based on what I put in it.

Come to think of it, I also added a couple TBSP of General Organics Diamond Black (Humic acids). Maybe that just made to much available to quickly...

Here are a few pictures of that leaf issue I was talking about... Possibly lacking potassium? Or maybe the tea somehow singed them a little?

i think they are hungry. hit them with your hydrolysate. i use organic gem as my go to all in one fert. speaking of which, im out. gonna oder up a drum.

kushking42 said:

i think they are hungry. hit them with your hydrolysate. i use organic gem as my go to all in one fert. speaking of which, im out. gonna oder up a drum.

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Thanks for the reply, KushKing. I've got some Earth Juice, so I think I'll just give them a drink of that. Maybe a 50/50 mix of grow/bloom?

Can anyone else weigh in on this before I go for it?

KushKing: how much hydrolysate per gallon do you use at different stages... like if your plants show no defiencies at all, would you still use it at some point during flowering?

Do you use it in your compost teas?

and how much tsp per gallon do you use if you only want to bring the soil ``alive`` ?

THANKS

EDIT: thats the bottle I got http://www.gardenerspantry.ca/liquid-fish-fertilizer.html

one more question, do you use it on babies if so, roughly at what age do you hit them with the first time and at what rate?

THANKS again...

Just mixed up a bucket of Earth Juice nutrients like this:

-3/4 TBSP/gal EJ Grow (2-1-1)
-3/4 TBSP/gal EJ Bloom (0-3-1)
-3/4 tsp/gal EJ Meta K (0-0-5)

Still had some bottles laying around from before I started mixing Super Soil. This is on the lower end of the recommended dosages for Earth Juice. It's bubbling with air stones as we speak, and I'll give it to them either this evening or tomorrow, depending on how thirsty they are.

spicy:
50/50 grow bloom is a good route. one i have used many times. one reason i use the organic gem is because its all in one. i still have some 5 gallon jugs of ej laying around i need to get too. will get to, because im out of the gem.

endur0:

i would use hydrolysate at different stages of plant growth as a stand alone. obviously weaker for babies and increasing in strength as plant life develops. back it off towards the end of flower. yes i use it for teas. my compost tea recipe is here somewhere. ill re-post here

recipe is for 50 gals, break it town to per gal for your own brewing needs

Recipe for a Diversity of Microbes; Nutrient Cycling
- measurements do not need to be precise; expressed in different units in brackets.


*compost/vermicompost – 2.38% max. (4.5 liters), (19 cups US), (4.5 quarts US) – reduce as required according to brewer and water quality


*unsulphured pure black strap molasses - I recommend using 0.50% (just under 1 liter), (4 cups US) (1 quart US) [but you can use a maximum 0.75% (1.4 liters), (5.9 cups US), (1.4 quarts US)] – reduce as required according to brewer and water quality


*fish hydrolysate(high quality) - 0.063% - (120 ml); (4 ounces)
Do not use chemically deodorized liquid fish!


*kelp meal - 0.25% max. (0.5 liter or 500 ml), (17 ounces US), (0.5 quart US), (2 plus cups)
NOTE: This is a maximum amount of kelp and you can experiment using less. This is using regular grade kelp meal for livestock. If you have soluble kelp, I recommend using smaller amounts. Sometimes kelp meal can initially delay bacterial multiplication.


*soft rock phosphate granules/powder - 0.063% - (120 ml) (4 ounces), (0.5 cup)
We grind up the granules into a powder with a coffee grinder


i also spray the organic gem as part of my brix mix

they look hungry to me too... looks more like N def... could be bleaching too how close is that leaf to the light?

Senseimilla said:

they look hungry to me too... looks more like N def... could be bleaching too how close is that leaf to the light?

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trying to narrow down a certain def. can be tricky. you might visibly see one def. and another might be hiding. easier to go with an all in one that will cover all the bases

SpicySativa said:

Just mixed up a bucket of Earth Juice nutrients like this:

-3/4 TBSP/gal EJ Grow (2-1-1)
-3/4 TBSP/gal EJ Bloom (0-3-1)
-3/4 tsp/gal EJ Meta K (0-0-5)

Still had some bottles laying around from before I started mixing Super Soil. This is on the lower end of the recommended dosages for Earth Juice. It's bubbling with air stones as we speak, and I'll give it to them either this evening or tomorrow, depending on how thirsty they are.

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i would recommend fertigating with this 2-3 consecutive times - the meta k. (one dose will be good) no need to bubble your earth juice. mix it with a stick and apply. your medium will balance out the acidity.

I'm not stressing about the acidity, I just like to add as much O2 as I can before feeding.

They are about 18-20" from the glass (air-cooled 600 watt). Temps and humidity are fine (75 day, 65-70 night, 40-50% humidity). I think you guys are right. I'll give them a couple feedings and see how they like it.

SpicySativa said:

I'm not stressing about the acidity, I just like to add as much O2 as I can before feeding.

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that solution or any solution can only hold a certain amount of o2. once you turn the stones on, your at maximum o2 levels. its the porosity of the medium that provides the 02 to the roots. bubbling your solution merely agitates it. and temporarily increases o2 levels. if you want bubbles in your solution when you water. run the stones in your resy then irrigate with a pump

Gave the Cheese Quakes their EJ brew last night. I think I caught this early fade just in time; just in the last 24 hours the lower leaves started to lighten up, and they even dropped a couple of the more shaded ones.

Thanks again for the help, KushKing and Sensei. I'll post up some updated pics soon. They're really starting to fill in and form nice colas. The smells are just intense, too. Plant #2, the shortest one, has a really unique grape/lavender smell, and the others have different versions of the same fruity/creamy/sweet smell. Kindof like a berry/grape cheesecake, if you can imagine that.

What's up Nerds?

Here are a few photos of my Cheese Quakes. You can see that fade starting up in the lower leaves (and a few top leaves in the back right). Hopefully the EJ feedings will put the fade in check for a couple more weeks.

Anyway, not much to say that the pics can't say better!

Hmm... The upper/middle leaf yellowing on Plant #2 is getting worse, despite that Earth Juice I just gave themm the other day... They are turning a dark, golden yellow, starting at the leaf tips, and the most affected leaves also have some rust-brown spots of necrosis.

Is there anything else this could be? Or should give them another feed this evening? No clawed leaves, so I don't SUSPECT they are burned, but I'm not an expert on that.

Starting to suspect that one plant might be overfed... The fact that it got so much worse just a couple days after feeding seems tto point more toward overfed than under.

Have any of you experienced Super Soil burn plants that have been in it for a while? Maybe more
nutrients getting broken down due to the compost tea?

I'm skeptical about giving them another feed this evening.

Fed another round of Earth Juice yesterday evening... I REALLY hope this takes care of the leaf issues I'm having. Some of the upper fan leaves sticking out of colas have started showing some brown/dead splotches (between veins, near leaf edges).

I took some more pictures last night, and I'll post them up as soon as I can.