sources of silica

NoTiller

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I've been using agsil and protek for years with great results. Lately I've been wanting to try a water only no till grow but can't ditch the silica. Is there a source of silica that works as fast as protek or agsil? I'm looking for something thats mainly silica and works fast as a top dress. I'm looking into DE and azomite, any input is appreciated.
 
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VTMi'kmaq

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Great question that i have no valid awenser for.............let me research what i can find.......i bet Rrog or don pertro could help on this.
 

hotrodharley

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K2O3Si is basically the same in any of them. like nutes a lot of times it's the fancy ads or artwork. However, do your reading before just going with it. Overuse or misuse prevents manganese and iron uptake which are needed while silica is NOT.
 

Rrog

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Horsetail grows wild and a great source of Silica

Silica is reactive with O2, rendering it non-bio-available so you can prepare a shelf stable silica supply by carefully heating Horsetail and Corn Cob to ash. Mix the ash, add water. The K from the Corn Cob binds to the silica so O2 doesn't. In the soil, the K is removed and the plant can then use it.
 

Wetdog

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Why?

I use ProTekt in my no tills, no problem. Might try the Agsil when it runs out, but I use very little and not all that often.

If you've been using them for years, I would really suggest sticking with what you know.

Wet
 

4ftRoots

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I've been using agsil and protek for years with great results. Lately I've been wanting to try a water only no till grow but can't ditch the silica. Is there a source of silica that works as fast as protek or agsil? I'm looking for something thats mainly silica and works fast as a top dress. I'm looking into DE and azomite, any input is appreciated.
Basically what all of those bottles are is a form of silicic acid. Silicic acid is what the plants are able to take up. You can google Hydrated silica and that is what those bottles are, but they contain a counter ion (potassium) that keeps it from decomposing to water and silica. Hydrated silica is found in diatomaceous earth but I do not know if silica hydration happens in the soil (I doubt it unless the plant facilitates it). But it must in very small amounts because all plants contain small amounts of silica. I only use DE now but I do notice the plants could benefit from more silica. If you want the results you can see then protekt or agsil is the way to go.

I would NOT use azomite. Stay away from aluminum silicates. That rapidly decompose to aluminum and silicate with the help of our microbe friends. Aluminum causes Alzheimer's stay away!
 

4ftRoots

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Horsetail grows wild and a great source of Silica

Silica is reactive with O2, rendering it non-bio-available so you can prepare a shelf stable silica supply by carefully heating Horsetail and Corn Cob to ash. Mix the ash, add water. The K from the Corn Cob binds to the silica so O2 doesn't. In the soil, the K is removed and the plant can then use it.
He nailed it I forgot about my horsetail FPE. I may try the ash too!
 

NoTiller

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Hi Wetdog nice to see you. I'm not having a problem using it, just looking for a water only feed so I can hook up some blumats to my pot or use a SIP to save myself some time and from breaking my back watering plants. I decided not to use azomite and DE in my notill. The horsetail and corn cob ash is a great idea, but its a bit time consuming for me. I'll keep that in mind, one day if I'm able to locate some horsetail I'll try that method and maybe add some to a compost bin. In hydro I use protek or some form of silica in every res change. In soil if using blumats, would it work if you use a sprayer to spray a higher concentration of agsil on top of the soil weekly and let it work its way down via the moisture from the blumats?
 

Rrog

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I ran blumats in the no-till in fabric geopots. I used the area under the drippers as wells where I would add VC and amendments.

I also would purposefully drench to runoff an occasional light slurry of the same amendments or a tea
 

Wetdog

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Hi Wetdog nice to see you. I'm not having a problem using it, just looking for a water only feed so I can hook up some blumats to my pot or use a SIP to save myself some time and from breaking my back watering plants. I decided not to use azomite and DE in my notill. The horsetail and corn cob ash is a great idea, but its a bit time consuming for me. I'll keep that in mind, one day if I'm able to locate some horsetail I'll try that method and maybe add some to a compost bin. In hydro I use protek or some form of silica in every res change. In soil if using blumats, would it work if you use a sprayer to spray a higher concentration of agsil on top of the soil weekly and let it work its way down via the moisture from the blumats?
IDK. Sorta fell into no till being old and having containers to big to horse around. These are outside and what I would do is add an 'overflowed' tsp of Protekt to a 5 gal bucket of water every 2-3 weeks and spot water.

I kinda quit the higher weekly applications the first year or so using it. Didn't hurt, but the lighter, less frequent applications seemed to work just as well.

BTW, I saw greensand mentioned. I use it in my initial mix. My mixes seem to last about 3 years and so does the greensand.

No experience with the Blumats.

Wet
 

greasemonkeymann

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Basically what all of those bottles are is a form of silicic acid. Silicic acid is what the plants are able to take up. You can google Hydrated silica and that is what those bottles are, but they contain a counter ion (potassium) that keeps it from decomposing to water and silica. Hydrated silica is found in diatomaceous earth but I do not know if silica hydration happens in the soil (I doubt it unless the plant facilitates it). But it must in very small amounts because all plants contain small amounts of silica. I only use DE now but I do notice the plants could benefit from more silica. If you want the results you can see then protekt or agsil is the way to go.

I would NOT use azomite. Stay away from aluminum silicates. That rapidly decompose to aluminum and silicate with the help of our microbe friends. Aluminum causes Alzheimer's stay away!
don't sweat that too much brother, the ph has to drop WAY down, like waaaaay beyond what your plant can live through.
If I recall it's like at least 4.0 to start to break down.
They don't rapidly break down at all though man.
It's the acidity that makes it breakdown, not the microbes, although the fulvic and humic acids created by the compost process may..
But not significantly, in the rock dust world the granite dust is more dangerous.
Langbeinite, gypsum, soft rock phosphates, i'd go with those over azomite, especially if you are re-using your soil or applying any fulvic acids.
If aluminum is really a concern though, i'd look at any and all beauty products.... antiperspirants in particular...
I do agree with you though, there are better minerals to add
 
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bigskymtnguy

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I've used silica additives from two sources. One is a local company here in Montana -- called Montana Grow, and I add 1/4 cup as topdressing to each 15 gallon fabric pot. Kelp4less.com has silica that is much finer and easier to put in waterings, and I usually add that to outdoor grows when the temps rise and the risk of heat/drought stress rises.
 

NoTiller

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I've used silica additives from two sources. One is a local company here in Montana -- called Montana Grow, and I add 1/4 cup as topdressing to each 15 gallon fabric pot. Kelp4less.com has silica that is much finer and easier to put in waterings, and I usually add that to outdoor grows when the temps rise and the risk of heat/drought stress rises.
Ok you may have just hit the bullseye for what I'm looking for. The montana grow silica, is that straight silica and nothing else besides a little potassium? Are there any negative effects that could come about from using this? Top dressed instead of watered in protek or agsil is gold to me. Both are Si, does it work equally as good?
 
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bigskymtnguy

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Ok you may have just hit the bullseye for what I'm looking for. The montana grow silica, is that straight silica and nothing else besides a little potassium? Are there any negative effects that could come about from using this? Top dressed instead of watered in protek or agsil is gold to me. Both are Si, does it work equally as good?
MontanaGrow is straight Silica, and the price is reasonable.
 
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