Sour diesel

madvillian420

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MtRainDog said:
I guess it depends on which of these you believe

1) The weed really was stronger in the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's
2) People build a tolerance over 20-30 years
3) Bland genetics
4) The DEA exterminated all the good weed
5) No one was competent enough after 2007 to breed anything worthwhile
6) Arjan

Edit: this would make a good poll I think. "Why does our weed suck nowadays?" Added a couple more just for fun lol
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i was going to edit my post and add that most of these things we desire for nostalgic reasons rarely measure up to being as good as we remember them. I hypothesize some factors like as you said tolerance and even taste bud development/aging will make things taste and hit you different than you remember. Maybe some genetic drift over the years, and the changing of industry standards and ingredients, light types and spectrums, etc.
Back then it was all HID. Modern LEDs are very different. Not to mention the difference in high,terps,color, and appearance between plants pulled too early vs later. Some (probably a lot) grows get chopped as soon as she has that smell and arent run to full maturity.

Edit:It was Arjan
 
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i know his story doesnt have the best rep here and maybe rightfully so sometimes but i enjoyed this interview with Aj about the diesel. Part of my hypothesis came from hearing him and guys like notso talk about the old days and weed and how different things are now, even down to the soil.
 
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madvillian420

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MannyPacs said:
In 5 years.... "What I really miss is the original cookies" lol
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seriously though! Or Gelato lol. And maybe more like 10 years, but i actually think that will happen.

Theres a clear trend here of the gene pool being muddied and hyper focused on pretty looking hype that isnt slowing down. I thank god for the few breeders and growers that focus on keeping around/reviving the old classics, or at least crossing the old fire to the new hype so its in there to some degree
 
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Danks23

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Hey everyone, its been about a month after receiving my Cloney Albany cut. She's looking okay, she's grown a lot but I cant seem to get the yellowing to go away. Transplanted into the Earth box about 2 weeks ago, it has 2 year old coots mix and I've been feeding her plain water with recharge top feed once a week. I've also noticed she does not like a lot of light, the leaves taco quite a bit. Maybe its too much food for such an old plant with the coots mix and recharge 1x a week? Or is it too little? What are other people feeding your Diesel cuts? I also have not done any training to her yet, is there anything that's recommended?
 

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Lurpin

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I've smoked a lot of different diesel all around California. Seen it grown by old time growers. I agree with what some other people are saying. It doesn't really have a fuel taste. It's super sour with lemons in the background. I think it's called diesel because that's the closest thing you can come to describe the sourness of it. I can tell you two places that has the real thing. Ember valley farms which I've smoked a lot of and thats the real deal. Also my previous employer in Maui Hawaii called Pono Life Maui has the real Sour diesel cut that they grow. Now I haven't been working there in 3 years but back then they had it. They had a few real cuts forum cookies, Tahoe OG, and Sour Diesel. Just straight loud sour with lemons in the back end. Now with my experience growing their cut I'd say cannaventures ECSD seeds look just like the clone that Pono had. 100% identical. I bought two packs and they'll be in my mail box tomorrow. We'll see if Rusty is selling the real thing here in a little bit.
 
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GWilliamsCannabis

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Danks23 said:
Hey everyone, its been about a month after receiving my Cloney Albany cut. She's looking okay, she's grown a lot but I cant seem to get the yellowing to go away. Transplanted into the Earth box about 2 weeks ago, it has 2 year old coots mix and I've been feeding her plain water with recharge top feed once a week. I've also noticed she does not like a lot of light, the leaves taco quite a bit. Maybe its too much food for such an old plant with the coots mix and recharge 1x a week? Or is it too little? What are other people feeding your Diesel cuts? I also have not done any training to her yet, is there anything that's recommended?
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Have you given it Calmag? Usually anytime my plants are yellow like that; calmag is the answer
 
Upstate2627

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Danks23 said:
Hey everyone, its been about a month after receiving my Cloney Albany cut. She's looking okay, she's grown a lot but I cant seem to get the yellowing to go away. Transplanted into the Earth box about 2 weeks ago, it has 2 year old coots mix and I've been feeding her plain water with recharge top feed once a week. I've also noticed she does not like a lot of light, the leaves taco quite a bit. Maybe its too much food for such an old plant with the coots mix and recharge 1x a week? Or is it too little? What are other people feeding your Diesel cuts? I also have not done any training to her yet, is there anything that's recommended?
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For me and my opinion after 2 runs of cloneys sour. She an old cut, needs her calmag, needs some extra nitrogen first few weeks of flower to keep her from yellowing later on. I just use botnicare veg/grow and calmag. Doesn't like full strength nutrients.
Good luck!
 
GrownAtHighAltitude

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Upstate2627 said:
For me and my opinion after 2 runs of cloneys sour. She an old cut, needs her calmag, needs some extra nitrogen first few weeks of flower to keep her from yellowing later on. I just use botnicare veg/grow and calmag. Doesn't like full strength nutrients.
Good luck!
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The genetics are 91 Chemdog x Massachusetts Super Skunk. That yellowing in the leaves persisted from the Chemdog as it's an almost identical trait. You can follow most of the advice for that cut, which is likely more voluminous than info about the Albany Diesel.

@Danks23
That cut probably just needs to get acclimated to a different soil blend, or to soil period if it was grown by a hydroponic gardener. Give it time and maybe a fresh soil transplant from cuttings later. She's usually an easy rooter, thank goodness.
 
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I really love the Albany Diesel for that Tennis-ball skunk funk it has, even if that fades a little quick in the jar. The high is killer and the flavors keep me wanting more.

I ran Shoreline Genetics' ECSD (cut) and it is even more powerful with a very familiar diesel gas funk aroma that I've come across from a lot of dispensary herbs. It's the most powerful one I've found with that level of gas. The high is definitely above average, I need to grow more of it in better conditions than I did previously. Wes said it tests 30% THC and I believe it.

Neither are like the Sour Diesel I smoked in 06, unfortunately. That was like @Lurpin says, it's more super sour lemons, or for me, I thought it was rather like Sour Patch Kids candy, without any sweet.
 
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GWilliamsCannabis

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GrownAtHighAltitude said:
I really love the Albany Diesel for that Tennis-ball skunk funk it has, even if that fades a little quick in the jar. The high is killer and the flavors keep me wanting more.

I ran Shoreline Genetics' ECSD (cut) and it is even more powerful with a very familiar diesel gas funk aroma that I've come across from a lot of dispensary herbs. It's the most powerful one I've found with that level of gas. The high is definitely above average, I need to grow more of it in better conditions than I did previously. Wes said it tests 30% THC and I believe it.

Neither are like the Sour Diesel I smoked in 06, unfortunately. That was like @Lurpin says, it's more super sour lemons, or for me, I thought it was rather like Sour Patch Kids candy, without any sweet.
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Sour patch kids without the sweet is 100% what I consider sour d.

The ecsd has the gas and is powerful like you said.

Recently I tried the AJ cut...and it's super skunky to my surprise....has a sour skunky flavor....its really good....but it ain't THE SOUR.
 
Danks23

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@Danks23
That cut probably just needs to get acclimated to a different soil blend, or to soil period if it was grown by a hydroponic gardener. Give it time and maybe a fresh soil transplant from cuttings later. She's usually an easy rooter, thank goodness.
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Yea it actually was from a hydro grower, I gave her a nice top dressing the other day, we'll see how she likes it.
 
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Kami Samurai said:
I have been searching for Sour Dubb for a while.
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the breeder that goes by the name "People Under the Stairs" have the cut you can check out their discord, i remember they were selling the beans for 300 i think. I missed out on that opportunity. They also have a shop in Maine where they give out close for a fee of course :D


On a side topic, anyone know where i can find the NOTSO version of the ECSD or SD, im looking for beans not clones atm...
 
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Tried the AJ cut from 3 different sources now.

NOT the sour is still my opinion....possibly a hybrid though.

The skunky flavor is waaaaay too dominant in this cut....there's also a dominant fruity flavor (not a specific fruit) and then the sour which in 2 out of 3 versions was very muted and the longer I kept it around (got 3 different ozs of the strain) the sour was the first flavor to disappear from the flavor profile.

This doesn't even taste CLOSE to sour imo....the sour that I consider sour is ONLY sour; no gas; no skunk; no flower flavor; just straight sour flavor.

I'd say the Rez version is closer than the AJ cut....that's how far off the AJ cut is imo.

ECSD despite the gas flavor is also waaaaaay closer than the AJ cut.

The AJ brings nearly no sour at all; its like a hint of it in there.
 
MtRainDog

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mwowner1 said:
the breeder that goes by the name "People Under the Stairs" have the cut you can check out their discord, i remember they were selling the beans for 300 i think. I missed out on that opportunity. They also have a shop in Maine where they give out close for a fee of course :D


On a side topic, anyone know where i can find the NOTSO version of the ECSD or SD, im looking for beans not clones atm...
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He teamed up with someone to do some seed releases with recently. I think he's announced some of them on discord. Not sure if his sour is part of any of that, but he has an old sour cut that he talks up, and people seem hyped on.
 
ganjaman87

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GWilliamsCannabis said:
Tried the AJ cut from 3 different sources now.

NOT the sour is still my opinion....possibly a hybrid though.

The skunky flavor is waaaaay too dominant in this cut....there's also a dominant fruity flavor (not a specific fruit) and then the sour which in 2 out of 3 versions was very muted and the longer I kept it around (got 3 different ozs of the strain) the sour was the first flavor to disappear from the flavor profile.

This doesn't even taste CLOSE to sour imo....the sour that I consider sour is ONLY sour; no gas; no skunk; no flower flavor; just straight sour flavor.

I'd say the Rez version is closer than the AJ cut....that's how far off the AJ cut is imo.

ECSD despite the gas flavor is also waaaaaay closer than the AJ cut.

The AJ brings nearly no sour at all; its like a hint of it in there.
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I have “original sour D” that I got from gaby at breeders direct it doesn’t smell skunky at all it smells more like a chemdog but with a sharp sour Odor maybe that’s what you’re looking for.
 

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ganjaman87 said:
I have “original sour D” that I got from gaby at breeders direct it doesn’t smell skunky at all it smells more like a chemdog but with a sharp sour Odor maybe that’s what you’re looking for.
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Possibly.....but the one I'm referring to has 0 smells/flavors outside of sour...finished nugs are super bright green like brighter green than anything else; but sativa looking and not that pretty somewhat leafy.

It'd be impossible for me to really know without smoking it because I've seen nugs that look similar; but absolutely nothing I've ever smoked smokes like it.
 
ganjaman87

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GWilliamsCannabis said:
Possibly.....but the one I'm referring to has 0 smells/flavors outside of sour...finished nugs are super bright green like brighter green than anything else; but sativa looking and not that pretty somewhat leafy.

It'd be impossible for me to really know without smoking it because I've seen nugs that look similar; but absolutely nothing I've ever smoked smokes like it.
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