Sour Diesel - Veteran's Medicinal First Grow

mistyriffs

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Ok, so my first solo grow. I went in on a grow with a buddy a while back and did a bunch of dumb shit like everyone else. I moved into a house with a bedroom we use as an office. I don't know what I was thinking but it took a couple months before it dawned on my.... let's use it to grow some medicine! So here it is folks; I've been doing a lot of research and owe a great deal of knowledge and information to you all here at RUI, so thank you. Please feel free to leave comments with any advice, recommendations, or anything else you feel like :-P
 

mistyriffs

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So this closet is a 2X7.5 plenty of room to play with. I chose to just tack up some white poly for ease of use/cleanup. I'm using a 400W HPS because I got a great deal on it and I can use it for the whole grow. Kind of on a budget, and I'm still learning so I want my mistakes to be cheap ones.... obviously. I plan on throwing in a CFL or two in there next paycheck when I can construct something cost effective. The exhaust runs up into the attic and is actually very easily hidden. That's what's in that bulky homemade duct tape silencer lol. Overall, I think it turned out better than expected. I'm definitely happy with the outcome.
 

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mistyriffs

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I picked up some Roots Organics formula 707 because of high recommendation from the local hydroponics store. It's a premix ready to go i think like 30 bucks for 3 cubic meters. It's got all the good shit: earth worm castings, bat guano, coco fiber, perlite, etc.

Other than that, I've got some organic bat guano 10-1-1 and humbolt snow storm ultra. Trying to keep it simple. I'm also going to throw in some standard 3% hydrogen peroxide every other watering.

I found some healthy looking baby sour diesel clones at the local dispensery :lol: I picked up four. Don't want to get too crazy. Love the smoke, and that will yield more than enough.... hopefully. Their roots looked beautiful, so I couldn't pass 'em up. I was going to order seeds, but fuck it, less room for me to fuck up the germination. Plus, the sooner I get going, the sooner I have product.
 

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mistyriffs

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So here they are, thrown in some soil. I can't stop staring at them!!! Seeing how the pictures take really motivates me to get some CFL's for a full spectrum.
 

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mistyriffs

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i'm using one teaspoon per gallon. I heard it would stimulate root growth and help the plant resist disease. First time try for me though.
 

burrr

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i'm using one teaspoon per gallon. I heard it would stimulate root growth and help the plant resist disease. First time try for me though.
I was under the impression that peroxide was mainly for hydro growing. You want lots of microbes ALIVE in soil.
 

bethanybrawndo

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What kind of results did you get? What type of grow? I'm all about little tips and tricks that work without having to purchase the expensive shit they sale to people trying to grow mj.
it was my second grow, wasnt as good as the first(when i didnt use any) and in the third one i did went back to my normal feeding
 

mistyriffs

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Hydrogen Peroxide and Horticulture
By Bryce Fredrickson



Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen (H2) and Oxygen (O2), however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.

What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pre treating the water supply with H2O2will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.

Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution; this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish color with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginning of a serious problem. An organic, ‘dirt like’ rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscous circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/over watering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.

Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 1\2 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.

Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities. Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web.(there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water.

3%5%, 8% Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.

What to do if you already have root rot.

In Dirt:
Use peroxide water with an anti-fungicide and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Increase aeration of the water, get an air pump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.

Summary
The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.


This was the article that turned my on to the idea
 

whitey78

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Hydrogen peroxide is all good for hydro where you want a sterile root environment, and the added benefit of the extra oxygen it adds to that resivoir is great, and thats all well and good. But you look like you have a bunch of organic products that would do wonders with microbes etc... but if you use peroxide there will be ZERO microbial life in your root zone because h202 kills all microbial life, good and bad. In a non-organic hydroponic resivoir, sterile is what you want. In an organic soil/soil-less medium, peroxide is the last thing you want.

In Dirt:
Use peroxide water with an anti-fungicide and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

Thats all great, but the added benefit of the extra oxygen negates ALL of those awesome organic products you spent all that money on. The reason they are telling you to add a rooting product is because of what it does to the microbes in the root zone (microbes are important in soil/soil-less growing usually) I've read that whole thing about peroxide and H2o2, and that was when I grew hydro, now that I grow dirt I use peroxide in my final flush to kill off the microbial life to help my plants finish up.

Trust us dude, you will regret using peroxide, I dont know who told you thats the thing to do but they are 100% completely and utterly wrong.

If you still feel the need to do so, please, take 1 plant and do NOT add the peroxide to that one single plant. I guarantee before you decide to induce flowering you will never use peroxide again, but the down side is you will have killed all the microbial life in the plants that you did use it on, ruining the substrate, not ever able to be populated again throughout that grow.

I hope you listen, but if not its all good bro, its your grow, but I'll say it one more time, dont use it you are going to regret it. I can see the logic in it, but throw an air stone in your water buckets and that is more than enough oxygen for plants to thrive in and as far as anti fungal or whatever, let your plants dry out between watering and there will be no problems, most times you end up with shit going on above the soil, and truthfully other than the o2 blast, theres no other benefit.. If you get root rot, then I'd think about using it, but not as a preventative measure, not for soil-less.

And one more thing, if you do decide to use the H2o2/peroxide, it will kill your plants or almost kill them if you dont let the peroxide sit and bubble in some water for a minimum of 18-24 hours, its not a ready to pour in product, it needs to "settle down" a bit.
 

mistyriffs

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Thank you for the advice, good sir. After not a single positive response to it, I was going to only apply it to only one and monitor the differences. But the more I read, the more I want to stay as simple as possible, and your response has pushed me to not even try it. If it's not broke, don't fix it right? lol I need to remind myself to stick to the basics.
 

whitey78

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You look like you have a good grasp of it, as you said dude, keep it simple, try not to rush and try to have as much patience as you possibly can and when you think you've been more than patient, try some more. And remember that what you put in today isnt going to show in the leaves for a few days, so if you pour something in, just know its not going to show immediately, we all say we understand that but we're all guilty of thinking the opposite.

I see you have some HCO snow storm ultra, use it carefully and scarcely, I'd suggest using half the suggested dose, its a product to increase resin production, not a flowering nutrient, those #'s you mentioned for NPK ratings are kinda high, so be careful. I have snow storm, been saying I'm going to use it, but I just havent brought myself to use it. Its very, VERY potent shit, so are all of HCO's products so beware and use any of their products sparingly and flush very, very good before harvesting.

Good luck dude.
 

browen

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Hey man the setup looks good. I just germinated two sour diesel seeds and I'm using a 400w hps light through the whole cycle as well. This is my first grow so since your setup is similar to mine ill be following your grow. Good luck!
 

mistyriffs

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hell yeah, awesome man! So far, these babies have no complaints with the hps as young as they are. i'm in socal, so i'm working through some heat and humidity issues, but they don't seem to mind much at all. looks like they are as resilient as i was informed, so i'm stoked. updated pics to come soon. Hit me up, let me know what your setup is all about.
 

mistyriffs

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Thanks Greather. Can't let you guys down now, shit! you're all invited to test the product and let me know how it turned out. i'm from high in the mtns myself. def miss it.
 
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