Dogenzengi
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Hi RIU,Here are pics, 19 days at 12/12
400 HPS w 2 95 watt T5 side lights.
FF Hydro nutes, FF supplements.
Hempy style grow.
Why are my lower leaves going yellow and dying??
Something is not right....
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Hi RIU,Here are pics, 19 days at 12/12
400 HPS w 2 95 watt T5 side lights.
FF Hydro nutes, FF supplements.
Hempy style grow.
Why are my lower leaves going yellow and dying??
kinddiesel
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nitrogen , its to low . find a different brand nutrients . or bump it up . if your following the directions then change nutrients . suggest a heavy 16 or advanced nutrients . earth juice . what are the numbers on the fox farm ? I have used some of those nutrients in the past for flowering . and if your only using flower nutrients you should be using your veg nutrients at the same time your flowering because example . BEASTIE BLOOMS has no nitro in it . made for the last 3 weeks of feeding to get max yields .
Dogenzengi
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That is what I suspected,
I feed with the Grow Big And Big Bloom And then I add the extra food supplement.
At the end of this week I will switch from Open Sesame to Beastie Bloomz still mixing with the Veg Nutes till at least 6 Weeks, just adding a little more than I was.
I PH at 5.8 and my PPM are 550 in my food.
I will raise the amount of Grow Big, I just find it odd that some leaves look over green like to much and N and some look yellow like N Def??
Thanx for the help!
Bless,
DZ
I feed with the Grow Big And Big Bloom And then I add the extra food supplement.
At the end of this week I will switch from Open Sesame to Beastie Bloomz still mixing with the Veg Nutes till at least 6 Weeks, just adding a little more than I was.
I PH at 5.8 and my PPM are 550 in my food.
I will raise the amount of Grow Big, I just find it odd that some leaves look over green like to much and N and some look yellow like N Def??
Thanx for the help!
Bless,
DZ
kinddiesel
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hey no problem . send out a pic in a week. we will see her when she is feeling better .
Dr. Who
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Heavy is over priced and AN is,,,well AN. Screw AN and their salty Urea bullshit.
Dog, the minute you add the "Open" and the "Beastie",,,what are your P&K going to be?
Don't you think THAT will cause some real yellowing???
I don't know what you've been adding as supplements you don't list it.....but it sure looks like it could be to much P&K. Ever flush your media in that hempy? Looks kinda like it could be a lock from salt build up too!
At this point I might TRY some foliar to up that N as the plant is now reducing the uptake of N and stealing it from the leaves.
The addition of more N to the res may or may not work now, unless you flush the build up out.
Those are the 2 things I see it could be....Look at it again with the above info and I think you might be able to answer this one yourself.
Good Luck my friend!
P.S. I really don't see any leaves being "over green". So too much N is not in play.
Dog, the minute you add the "Open" and the "Beastie",,,what are your P&K going to be?
Don't you think THAT will cause some real yellowing???
I don't know what you've been adding as supplements you don't list it.....but it sure looks like it could be to much P&K. Ever flush your media in that hempy? Looks kinda like it could be a lock from salt build up too!
At this point I might TRY some foliar to up that N as the plant is now reducing the uptake of N and stealing it from the leaves.
The addition of more N to the res may or may not work now, unless you flush the build up out.
Those are the 2 things I see it could be....Look at it again with the above info and I think you might be able to answer this one yourself.
Good Luck my friend!
P.S. I really don't see any leaves being "over green". So too much N is not in play.
BenFranklin
Well-Known Member
That's a classic nitrogen deficiency....
Dogenzengi
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I flush once a week with 4 gallons of water.
I will Flush tomorrow and make a brew that is high in Nitrogen.
This Sativa has burned in past grows by having my PPM to high.
I PH my food at 5.8.
The main foods I am using are;
Grow Big for Nitrogen 1/2 tsp per gal.
Big Bloom for microbial (guano and stuff) 1/2 tsp per gal.
Tiger Bloom for P and K. 1\2 tsp per gal.
(I replace the tiger bloom with the three supplements.)
With big bloom and grow big I add;
3 weeks open sesame 1/2 tsp per gal.
3 weeks beastie Bloomz 1/2 tsp per gal.
3 weeks Cha Ching. 1/2tsp per gal.
Plant flowers in 9 weeks.
( this is my second grow using these supplements)
I am still fighting to have a good Balance of food mixed with water.
I keep the PPM below 550 per gallon.
My water is 110 ppm out of the tap.
I let it sit to allow chlorine to evaporate.
I will Flush tomorrow and make a brew that is high in Nitrogen.
This Sativa has burned in past grows by having my PPM to high.
I PH my food at 5.8.
The main foods I am using are;
Grow Big for Nitrogen 1/2 tsp per gal.
Big Bloom for microbial (guano and stuff) 1/2 tsp per gal.
Tiger Bloom for P and K. 1\2 tsp per gal.
(I replace the tiger bloom with the three supplements.)
With big bloom and grow big I add;
3 weeks open sesame 1/2 tsp per gal.
3 weeks beastie Bloomz 1/2 tsp per gal.
3 weeks Cha Ching. 1/2tsp per gal.
Plant flowers in 9 weeks.
( this is my second grow using these supplements)
I am still fighting to have a good Balance of food mixed with water.
I keep the PPM below 550 per gallon.
My water is 110 ppm out of the tap.
I let it sit to allow chlorine to evaporate.
Dogenzengi
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I thought foliar was a no no during flowering??
I can turn off my HPS and just run my T5 lights while the plant is damp.
Thanks to All for the Advice!
Bless,
DZ
I can turn off my HPS and just run my T5 lights while the plant is damp.
Thanks to All for the Advice!
Bless,
DZ
qwizoking
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if it was me I would give plain ph'd water with a light micro nute mix and a touch of calmag...then plain ph'd for the next and see how it is....
it's leaves won't get any darker, no n imo. first pic says it all
in any case they are clawing, I know of but a couple causes of that. n, and root bound/ high ppm or ec
it's leaves won't get any darker, no n imo. first pic says it all
in any case they are clawing, I know of but a couple causes of that. n, and root bound/ high ppm or ec
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BenFranklin
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Look... Some sativa heavy plants will be a little shy when it comes to heavy PPM's and nitrogen, feeding a plant MORE nitrogen won't necessarily fix it...
Getting the PH adjusted to where the plant can intake Nitrogen all it wants, is the key.
I will maintain that it is a classic nitrogen deficiency and looking at your PPM's, it is because you keep the PPM's to low. at Flowering they should be at about 800-1200 for YOUR sativa dominant strain.(At least that's what I would keep it at.) Down below is a chart for which the strain grown is a heavy indica dominant variety, I am assuming.
From PitViper on another forum
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I start with 600 PPm for week 1
900 PPm for week 2
1200 PPm for week 3
if you go over 3 weeks veg
1500 PPM week 4
1800 PPM week 5 and hold there
at bloom I flush and go to 1000 PPM week1
1300 ppm week 2
1600 PPM week 3
1900 PPM week 4
flush weekly.....VERY IMPOTANT
and hold there until last 2 weeks and ad your bloom enhancers if your using them
I reposted this so as you can see an example of what your PPM's SHOULD be at. As you can see, you have your PPM's WAY WAY to weak and it is just as I said, classic Nitrogen deficiency.
Getting the PH adjusted to where the plant can intake Nitrogen all it wants, is the key.
I will maintain that it is a classic nitrogen deficiency and looking at your PPM's, it is because you keep the PPM's to low. at Flowering they should be at about 800-1200 for YOUR sativa dominant strain.(At least that's what I would keep it at.) Down below is a chart for which the strain grown is a heavy indica dominant variety, I am assuming.
From PitViper on another forum
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I start with 600 PPm for week 1
900 PPm for week 2
1200 PPm for week 3
if you go over 3 weeks veg
1500 PPM week 4
1800 PPM week 5 and hold there
at bloom I flush and go to 1000 PPM week1
1300 ppm week 2
1600 PPM week 3
1900 PPM week 4
flush weekly.....VERY IMPOTANT
and hold there until last 2 weeks and ad your bloom enhancers if your using them
I reposted this so as you can see an example of what your PPM's SHOULD be at. As you can see, you have your PPM's WAY WAY to weak and it is just as I said, classic Nitrogen deficiency.
BenFranklin
Well-Known Member
DO NOT FOLIAR FEED at this point.
So anyway, you're flushing them, and then giving them a VERY weak seedling level nutrient feeding, it's amazing they got that far, just know that you're current grow won't reach it's full potential at this point as it lacked nitrogen during it's vegetive cycle to be able to put bud weight on. I hope for you, that it will still be an ok to decent harvest, the taste will be good..
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Dr. Who
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At this point he could run a quick foliar to up the N fast. I most likely would not much further down the road.
A proper cure would null any trace nutrient left in the plant.....I don't understand your train of thought on low N in veg leading to low bud weight in bloom? Other then small plant size = low bud weight. In bloom, after week 4 the plant reduces uptake of N and uses more P&K to bulk the buds......It looks to me that Dog had some sort of uptake problem. The plant countered by using N from the plant to secure the needed early bud formation. The bulking is still coming and fixing the uptake will help. It's not amazing they got that far at all.
How about adding a Humic and maybe some Fulvic's.....Sea Green would be great!
At least add a Humic as it will help your uptake.
A proper cure would null any trace nutrient left in the plant.....I don't understand your train of thought on low N in veg leading to low bud weight in bloom? Other then small plant size = low bud weight. In bloom, after week 4 the plant reduces uptake of N and uses more P&K to bulk the buds......It looks to me that Dog had some sort of uptake problem. The plant countered by using N from the plant to secure the needed early bud formation. The bulking is still coming and fixing the uptake will help. It's not amazing they got that far at all.
How about adding a Humic and maybe some Fulvic's.....Sea Green would be great!
At least add a Humic as it will help your uptake.
Dogenzengi
Well-Known Member
This plant is the third from a group of seeds I had marked 2012.
Only thru growing this strain can I tell you the plant does not seem to like high PPM's.
9 week flowering time both prior plants. The buds were dry to the touch and the Trics were about 20% amber at 9 weeks.
(I could be doing something wrong, I am still a Noob with tons to learn)
The first one grew out to just over a Half pound Dry, The last one was unfortunately small and only came to 4.5 ounces dry.
I can tell if I don't screw this up again I will get at least 6 Ounces dry.
I have ten 60 day old clones from this plant growing under a T5 fixture w 216 watts.
I also have a single clone from my very first plant, it's an Indica or Indica Dom. Strain marked 2012 , I had different sources each year so I know the 2012 bud came from the West Coast.
I will flower the Indica Next and Let the Sativas grow.
I have Super cropped and FMed every vertical branch.
I break all stems while green by crushing with my finger tips.
I do this to new growth and it makes my branches thicker and stronger.
Also a small Pepper Plant which will go outside in a large pot on my porch.
Only thru growing this strain can I tell you the plant does not seem to like high PPM's.
9 week flowering time both prior plants. The buds were dry to the touch and the Trics were about 20% amber at 9 weeks.
(I could be doing something wrong, I am still a Noob with tons to learn)
The first one grew out to just over a Half pound Dry, The last one was unfortunately small and only came to 4.5 ounces dry.
I can tell if I don't screw this up again I will get at least 6 Ounces dry.
I have ten 60 day old clones from this plant growing under a T5 fixture w 216 watts.
I also have a single clone from my very first plant, it's an Indica or Indica Dom. Strain marked 2012 , I had different sources each year so I know the 2012 bud came from the West Coast.
I will flower the Indica Next and Let the Sativas grow.
I have Super cropped and FMed every vertical branch.
I break all stems while green by crushing with my finger tips.
I do this to new growth and it makes my branches thicker and stronger.
Also a small Pepper Plant which will go outside in a large pot on my porch.
