closet.cult
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damn. alot of supplies. good luck and we'll be watching.
somango/whitewidow ENOURMOUS BUDS! ~LoveIt
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VictorVIcious
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No, do not do that. The seed needs to be planted with the pod still attached, that is where the food it needs for the first few week is. If and only in it is almost all the way off all but the tip of one leaf would you be able to safely remove it. VV
skunkushybrid
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Yes... this is going to be one serious grow. Definitely one to watch.
skunkushybrid
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No, do not do that. The seed needs to be planted with the pod still attached, that is where the food it needs for the first few week is. If and only in it is almost all the way off all but the tip of one leaf would you be able to safely remove it. VV[/quote]
VV, i think your post could be easily misinterpreted. There is nutritional value in the seed casing, but not much. Maybe see it through a couple of days once it's popped the medium max. This is also a coco grow.
VV, i think your post could be easily misinterpreted. There is nutritional value in the seed casing, but not much. Maybe see it through a couple of days once it's popped the medium max. This is also a coco grow.
thanks everyone for your help and nice comments 
all 6 sprouts seemed happy and ready to sow today.
the white widows (here, see seed #3) developed faster, and each has a very hairy tap root:
the somango all have sturdy shoots coming out... here is somango seed #1
i checked the pH of my tap water with my new digital pen, and it read 6.7, so i'm going to work on bringing that down to at least 6. hopefully it'll be okay there to start (worked for the last grow, although skunk, i think once upon a time you mentioned that you had a feeling my 1st grow was adversly affected by pH issues), and then i need to develop pH lowering technology
...any suggestions out there? guess i'll just get some pHdown, but it would be nice to simply grab a lemon, or something out of the fridge.
i mixed up 1 liter of water and began adding rootjuice, first with the lowest recommended dosage (2ml), and then i tested it with my newly calibrated milwaukee t75 tds meter, and it read 110ppm (i'm aiming for 200 ppm, which corresponds with the 0.4 ec level i want for the seedlings). so i added enough more to take it up to biobizz's highest recommended dosage for rootjuice (5ml), and the meter read 120ppm. this was surprising, so i added twice that, and it's highest reading was 122ppm, so i left it there... hopefully i didn't just screw up, but i have faith it'll work out. if it doesn't hurt them, then i'll have my chance at redemption... definitely have to figure out why the heck the meter didn't register a higher concentration than it did, but maybe someone out there has an answer for me.
i drenched the pots full of coco coir with the feed, and let them drain. after that, i planted the seeds.
here's widow #1 getting ready to jump in the coco
i poked a hole in the soil with a chopstick and set the seeds gently inside with the root down and the seed up... then i just gently smushed it closed from the sides of the hole and covered it up- coco is very fluffy, even when damp! i left the tips of the seed just touching the air, and then sprinkled a little coco coir over it.
here they are, neatly labeled in their pots, ready to go under the lights!
and here they are, where i presume they will stay until they show their first set of spears... then, i'll move them under the 400 w metal halide agrosun gold multi-spectrum bulb. now i need to look for a new hood, so i can be sure to have the mh nice and close for veg. i suppose i could get this agrosun fluorescent grow light even closer to them... do you think i should?
all 6 sprouts seemed happy and ready to sow today.
the white widows (here, see seed #3) developed faster, and each has a very hairy tap root:
the somango all have sturdy shoots coming out... here is somango seed #1
i checked the pH of my tap water with my new digital pen, and it read 6.7, so i'm going to work on bringing that down to at least 6. hopefully it'll be okay there to start (worked for the last grow, although skunk, i think once upon a time you mentioned that you had a feeling my 1st grow was adversly affected by pH issues), and then i need to develop pH lowering technology
...any suggestions out there? guess i'll just get some pHdown, but it would be nice to simply grab a lemon, or something out of the fridge.i mixed up 1 liter of water and began adding rootjuice, first with the lowest recommended dosage (2ml), and then i tested it with my newly calibrated milwaukee t75 tds meter, and it read 110ppm (i'm aiming for 200 ppm, which corresponds with the 0.4 ec level i want for the seedlings). so i added enough more to take it up to biobizz's highest recommended dosage for rootjuice (5ml), and the meter read 120ppm. this was surprising, so i added twice that, and it's highest reading was 122ppm, so i left it there... hopefully i didn't just screw up, but i have faith it'll work out. if it doesn't hurt them, then i'll have my chance at redemption... definitely have to figure out why the heck the meter didn't register a higher concentration than it did, but maybe someone out there has an answer for me.
i drenched the pots full of coco coir with the feed, and let them drain. after that, i planted the seeds.
here's widow #1 getting ready to jump in the coco
i poked a hole in the soil with a chopstick and set the seeds gently inside with the root down and the seed up... then i just gently smushed it closed from the sides of the hole and covered it up- coco is very fluffy, even when damp! i left the tips of the seed just touching the air, and then sprinkled a little coco coir over it.
here they are, neatly labeled in their pots, ready to go under the lights!
and here they are, where i presume they will stay until they show their first set of spears... then, i'll move them under the 400 w metal halide agrosun gold multi-spectrum bulb. now i need to look for a new hood, so i can be sure to have the mh nice and close for veg. i suppose i could get this agrosun fluorescent grow light even closer to them... do you think i should?
well, ww1 is the first to stand up out of the ground. i can see ww2 plowing up through the surface now, too. i'm gonna laugh my ass off if they sprout exactly in order of when they were planted
oh, and i nudged the light slightly down, so it's about an inch above the pots, probably 2ish+ inches from the seeds. time to cure my buds from my other grow
oh, and i nudged the light slightly down, so it's about an inch above the pots, probably 2ish+ inches from the seeds. time to cure my buds from my other grow
thanks everybody ...to witness the beginning of life is sublime. i'm so very fascinated with this!
here's an update:
the crop
yesterday:
ww1
yesterday:
ww2
yesterday:
ww3
yesterday:
somango 1
yesterday:
somango 2
yesterday:
somango 3
yesterday:
i've too little time right now to take new pics for today, but they are all standing taller today, somango 2 is the runt of the litter, so far. i am just about out of time to work on this for this afternoon, but i hope that by tomorrow i will be able to get the seedlings set up underneath the 400w mh and fed. got lots to do to reconstruct the room, which i'll have to work at during veg... not ideal, but possible, and once all this is finished, things will be smooth sailing from then on
...to witness the beginning of life is sublime. i'm so very fascinated with this!here's an update:
the crop
yesterday:
ww1
yesterday:
ww2
yesterday:
ww3
yesterday:
somango 1
yesterday:
somango 2
yesterday:
somango 3
yesterday:
i've too little time right now to take new pics for today, but they are all standing taller today, somango 2 is the runt of the litter, so far. i am just about out of time to work on this for this afternoon, but i hope that by tomorrow i will be able to get the seedlings set up underneath the 400w mh and fed. got lots to do to reconstruct the room, which i'll have to work at during veg... not ideal, but possible, and once all this is finished, things will be smooth sailing from then on
well, based on this past week, it's definitely going to have its share of ups and downs lol... thanks for the vote of confidence, bro
it's hard to get used to dealing with pH and nutrient concentration, but i'm getting better at dealing with the details one doesn't know exist until you experience really going through this process. clones- YES! i'm hoping to end up with at least one viable mom of the somango and one of the white widow.thanks lacy, nice to have you checking in here! your posts are always welcome
...well, i have pics from monday, and some from today (saturday) to post, but i haven't had time, cause work around the holidays is crazy!!! i'm doing this post away from home, so i can't show any pics right now, but i'll try to describe what's been happening. i don't know if it was due to seriously over nuting the seedlings, or if it was the fact that my 400w mh slid down to about a foot above the poor babies for a day while i was away, but now i've lost ww 3 and somango 2. ww 1 & 2 are both showing damage on the tips of their first spear leaves, but the new leaves poking out aren't looking affected. somango 1 & 3 are doing fine, which may mean they are going to accept more nutes than the ww, but i can't help
but wonder if the four plants i have left should be bigger by now... they are maybe twice their size since the last pics, and there are new leaves developing on all of them, but they're not taking off with growth yet.
to recap, i gave them far too much root juice when i popped the germ'ed seeds in the coco, because i was trying to measure it with my meter lol... doesn't work for rootjuice though... so, normally i'd just add more water until it was right, or just throw out the batch, but since i was doubtless stoned (more likely than not lol) ...ah fuck, my phone just deleted the other half of this post... i'll just give you the ppm report with pics tonight when i get home to my computer and my bong... gotta get through this friggin gig... ugh lol- cheers everyone- more in a few hours!
okay, so here's the deal.
on monday 12/10 i took 2 liters of water from the tap, and tested the pH... at 7.21, it has gotten a bit higher, so i'm glad i have my new stuff!
i added some pH down that i picked up at the local hyro shop
...and settled on pH 5.83. i think i'll try to keep it here for a while and see how the babies react. i would like to hear (from anyone who adjusts pH) the subtler things anyone's observed about precisely what their plants like pH-wise.
okay, when it comes to the nutes, i have a weird thing going on, and that is, my water straight out of the tap is registering like 87ppm on my tds meter. i really don't think there is residue in my pitcher to cause this, but maybe i'm wrong... so anyway, i made my batch of nutes, tested it, it came out low, so i added more, and then it went way over what i wanted, so then i froze, and as usual, stoned, so i was panic stricken hahahaha (gotta laugh at myself)... "oh no!", i thought. "i could add water to it to dilute the ppm, but then it's going to be the wrong pH, and i don't know, can i add pH down after adding nutes? paralysis via analysis. at the end i couldn't stand the pressure anymore and just fed the plants. so, i don't know, guess i rationalized that if my plain water was registering 87ppm, that maybe my meter slipped out of calibration or something, and that my number below was more like 420 instead of 507, and that it might push the plants a little but that they'd be okay, but i was really aiming for like 300ppm.
it's frustrating... i figured i would be more confident this time having gotten through my first grow, but since i'm making my grow more complicated, it feels like i am an idiot again haha. at every new turn here, at the last second, i have all of these questions, and a limited amount of time to get a task done, so that's how this kind goofs come to be i guess lol
better control will evolve out of this experience though
the following are the pics from the day they got their first feed and went under the 400w mh
ww1
ww2
ww3- this one was just flopped over... it almost looks like something chewed the stem, but i can't quite tell, and i'm inclined to think it just got overwhelmed by the rootjuice.
somango 1
somango 2- this is the runt of the litter, for sure.
somango 3 here's a close up shot- got some burn here, not sure if it's nute burn or light burn. heat is NOT an issue, overnuting maybe, and the light slipped down the first day while i was away, which sucked to come in and see. my new reflector is very heavy- and bright forgot to post a pic, gotta get this post done and do some errands, but maybe i'll post some more stuff later tonight..
okay, and here are today's pics, just after i fed em. they got 300ppm of biogrow with 5.8 pH water.
the garden, such as it is...
s2 and ww3 are dead... i have pics, but i'm not gonna post them... unless you really want to see a dead seedling. here are a couple pics of the survivors.
ww 1
somango 3
i had pics of the other 2 but seem to have misplaced them- i may take some new ones tonight before bed, but i just want to get this post up now before i accidentally delete it (like i did on monday
)
the somangos seem to accept the abuse i'm giving them better than the white widow so far lol... well... that's all for now... i'll be in and out tonight, but i'll check out everyones' threads later tonight, so hope to see some of you online
on monday 12/10 i took 2 liters of water from the tap, and tested the pH... at 7.21, it has gotten a bit higher, so i'm glad i have my new stuff!
i added some pH down that i picked up at the local hyro shop
...and settled on pH 5.83. i think i'll try to keep it here for a while and see how the babies react. i would like to hear (from anyone who adjusts pH) the subtler things anyone's observed about precisely what their plants like pH-wise.
okay, when it comes to the nutes, i have a weird thing going on, and that is, my water straight out of the tap is registering like 87ppm on my tds meter. i really don't think there is residue in my pitcher to cause this, but maybe i'm wrong... so anyway, i made my batch of nutes, tested it, it came out low, so i added more, and then it went way over what i wanted, so then i froze, and as usual, stoned, so i was panic stricken hahahaha (gotta laugh at myself
)... "oh no!", i thought. "i could add water to it to dilute the ppm, but then it's going to be the wrong pH, and i don't know, can i add pH down after adding nutes? paralysis via analysis. at the end i couldn't stand the pressure anymore and just fed the plants. so, i don't know, guess i rationalized that if my plain water was registering 87ppm, that maybe my meter slipped out of calibration or something, and that my number below was more like 420 instead of 507, and that it might push the plants a little but that they'd be okay, but i was really aiming for like 300ppm.
it's frustrating... i figured i would be more confident this time having gotten through my first grow, but since i'm making my grow more complicated, it feels like i am an idiot again haha. at every new turn here, at the last second, i have all of these questions, and a limited amount of time to get a task done, so that's how this kind goofs come to be i guess lol
better control will evolve out of this experience though
the following are the pics from the day they got their first feed and went under the 400w mh
ww1
ww2
ww3- this one was just flopped over... it almost looks like something chewed the stem, but i can't quite tell, and i'm inclined to think it just got overwhelmed by the rootjuice.
somango 1
somango 2- this is the runt of the litter, for sure.
somango 3 here's a close up shot- got some burn here, not sure if it's nute burn or light burn. heat is NOT an issue, overnuting maybe, and the light slipped down the first day while i was away, which sucked to come in and see. my new reflector is very heavy- and bright
forgot to post a pic, gotta get this post done and do some errands, but maybe i'll post some more stuff later tonight..
okay, and here are today's pics, just after i fed em. they got 300ppm of biogrow with 5.8 pH water.
the garden, such as it is...
s2 and ww3 are dead... i have pics, but i'm not gonna post them... unless you really want to see a dead seedling. here are a couple pics of the survivors.
ww 1
somango 3
i had pics of the other 2 but seem to have misplaced them- i may take some new ones tonight before bed, but i just want to get this post up now before i accidentally delete it (like i did on monday
)the somangos seem to accept the abuse i'm giving them better than the white widow so far lol... well... that's all for now... i'll be in and out tonight, but i'll check out everyones' threads later tonight, so hope to see some of you online
fed them all nutrients tonight, i'm hanging back at 300ppm, see if they perk up a bit and recover... pH'ed at 5.8, definitely getting better at controlling all of this, just gotta see if i can bring these babies back around- wish me luck...
...and please chime in everyone, i'm not sure if i'm on the right course here... i'm trying to be relaxed lol
ok, enough of this silliness... here they are, the good, the bad, and the ugly haha.
somango 1 seems to be pretty happy... in fact, the somangos are kicking the white widows' asses in terms of idiotproof-ness. is that a word? case in point, i suppose lol
i know the color sucks on these pics, sorry bout that, but these somangos have a nice healthy green color to them.
here's somango 3, seems to be doing quite well... (probably a freakin male
)
and now for the widows...
white widow 1 is recovering fairly well from the burnt set of leaves (which i trimmed), and the new growth looks fine... this plant may be the only hope for this generation of white widows, and you'll see why when you see the pic after this one.
not that horrible, the new growth seems like its coming out okay, but there's some burn on the center leaves of the second set of spears...
now here's poor white widow 2
it's on a shorter pedestal, about 6-8 inches below the other plants... i'm just gonna wait and see what happens... anybody have any thoughts on this one?
that's about it. i noticed the color of the light seemed to be sort of shifting... not flickering, per se, but the color just sort of slowly oscillated occasionally... i wonder if that's a sign that it's nearing the end of it's life. any advise here would be mucho groovy
cheers all
...and please chime in everyone, i'm not sure if i'm on the right course here... i'm trying to be relaxed lol
ok, enough of this silliness... here they are, the good, the bad, and the ugly haha.
somango 1 seems to be pretty happy... in fact, the somangos are kicking the white widows' asses in terms of idiotproof-ness. is that a word? case in point, i suppose lol
i know the color sucks on these pics, sorry bout that, but these somangos have a nice healthy green color to them.
here's somango 3, seems to be doing quite well... (probably a freakin male
)
and now for the widows...
white widow 1 is recovering fairly well from the burnt set of leaves (which i trimmed), and the new growth looks fine... this plant may be the only hope for this generation of white widows, and you'll see why when you see the pic after this one.
not that horrible, the new growth seems like its coming out okay, but there's some burn on the center leaves of the second set of spears...
now here's poor white widow 2
it's on a shorter pedestal, about 6-8 inches below the other plants... i'm just gonna wait and see what happens... anybody have any thoughts on this one?
that's about it. i noticed the color of the light seemed to be sort of shifting... not flickering, per se, but the color just sort of slowly oscillated occasionally... i wonder if that's a sign that it's nearing the end of it's life. any advise here would be mucho groovy
cheers all I've been scanning yer posts a bit, and i have to ask, why are you feeding the seedlings nutes and such? From my little experience i realised that nutes don't do much good to the plant, it even can damage it, if fed before then plant is at least 1 week old. Anyway I'm sure you know what you're doing and if are there any tricks involving this do tell me about it btw loved your 1st grow journal.
btw loved your 1st grow journal.
skunkushybrid
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I've been scanning yer posts a bit, and i have to ask, why are you feeding the seedlings nutes and such? From my little experience i realised that nutes don't do much good to the plant, it even can damage it, if fed before then plant is at least 1 week old. Anyway I'm sure you know what you're doing and if are there any tricks involving this do tell me about it
This is a hydro grow... You give nutes from the start. I do all the time. My first batch of feed will measure 0.4 ec. If the plants were in the outdoors, they would have to survive on nutrient concentrations already in the soil.
In hydro you need to use nutes right away.
Although from the pic's it seems as though you have overnuted somewhat. How often are you feeding them loveit?