Soil was a little too hot last year; should I put soil amendments this year?

Forte

Forte

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This was my soil recipe. If I should put more of the amendments how much should I use?
5 gallon recipe
50% fox farm ocean forest soil
20% Perlite
15% worm castings
15% Alaska Humus

1/2 cup Neptunes crab shell
1/2 cup Mexican guano
1/2 cup Peruvian guano
1/2 cup Indonesian guano
1/2 cup Dolomite lime
1/2 cup Gypsum
1/2 cup Fish bone meal
1/2 cup Alfalfa meal
5 tbsp Azomite
1/2 cup Sulpomag
1/4 cup Kelp meal
1/4 cup Bone meal
 
Forte

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foreverflyhi said:
I say leave as is as long as you keep watering with enzymes and less aact. Add more worm castings
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What do you mean by watering with enzymes? I'm planning on growing in a 10 gallon smart pot, should I add soil amendments to the new soil or leave as is? I'm using fox farm soil.
 
foreverflyhi

foreverflyhi

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Forte said:
What do you mean by watering with enzymes? I'm planning on growing in a 10 gallon smart pot, should I add soil amendments to the new soil or leave as is? I'm using fox farm soil.
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Enzymes can be found in Super sprout teas or SST, this consist of sprouted seeds such as barley or even malted seeds, cocunut water is also enzime rich. In simple talk, Enzymes help break down organic matter for the plant to intake. The only amendment you need is wormcastin.
Also not a bad idea to go back to the drawing board to catch your mistake on why your super soil is hot.
Everything you need to know about for organics is a sticky here in the organic section called ROLS
 
Forte

Forte

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foreverflyhi said:
Enzymes can be found in Super sprout teas or SST, this consist of sprouted seeds such as barley or even malted seeds, cocunut water is also enzime rich. In simple talk, Enzymes help break down organic matter for the plant to intake. The only amendment you need is wormcastin.
Also not a bad idea to go back to the drawing board to catch your mistake on why your super soil is hot.
Everything you need to know about for organics is a sticky here in the organic section called ROLS
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Thx for the info. I've been reading a lot on how much i should put of each amendment, but everyone has different answers. What do you think?
 
foreverflyhi

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Ha sorry stupid stoner me, i thought for some reawon u r reusing the soil? If u have last harvest soil, reuse it and cut it with lots of wormcastings. If you dont like this route, i suggest u start from scratch and go into the rols thread, which o mention earlier, and build your soil with out foxfarm. First page tells you what you need
 
Forte

Forte

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foreverflyhi said:
Ha sorry stupid stoner me, i thought for some reawon u r reusing the soil? If u have last harvest soil, reuse it and cut it with lots of wormcastings. If you dont like this route, i suggest u start from scratch and go into the rols thread, which o mention earlier, and build your soil with out foxfarm. First page tells you what you need
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Thanks for suggesting that thread, it is very informative. I am reusing the soil. So just cut it with lots of worm castings? You don't think it will lack nutrients after a few months?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Forte said:
This was my soil recipe. If I should put more of the amendments how much should I use?
5 gallon recipe
50% fox farm ocean forest soil
20% Perlite
15% worm castings
15% Alaska Humus

1/2 cup Neptunes crab shell
1/2 cup Mexican guano
1/2 cup Peruvian guano
1/2 cup Indonesian guano
1/2 cup Dolomite lime
1/2 cup Gypsum
1/2 cup Fish bone meal
1/2 cup Alfalfa meal
5 tbsp Azomite
1/2 cup Sulpomag
1/4 cup Kelp meal
1/4 cup Bone meal
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whoa, yeah brother, that's a ton of nutrients, you have less than a cubic foot and half of it is already amended.
So you are technically only supposed to add for a third of a cubic foot (2.5 gal)
so normally you add 3-4 cups of nutrients to a full cubic foot, you only needed a third of that. Like a cup and a half at most of nutrients.
If you have used that soil already for one run, it may still be ok for another...
what I would do to be safe, is to just cut your entire soil mix in half with like promix or something damn near inert.
Next time i'd drop the guanos, drop the sulpomag, drop the bone meal (keep the fish bone meal) and add neem meal.
If you want it really dialed in, add biochar, and rotten tree log chunks
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Forte said:
Thanks for suggesting that thread, it is very informative. I am reusing the soil. So just cut it with lots of worm castings? You don't think it will lack nutrients after a few months?
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match the amount of EWC you add with either a good leaf compost or rotten tree chunks, EWC is some thick stuff.
You could always give them a couple teas later if you think they are lacking in something, but damn bro, your soil mix was a super RICH mofo, so you are probably still good.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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lemmy714 said:
I would use less guano. Ocean Forest has guano premixed
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I agree, in fact I would use NONE of the guano, but that's me, too damn water soluble, and you can get a much better source of nitrogen and phosphorus from other nutrients.
Neem meal, alfalfa, fish bone meal rock phosphates, etc.
 
Forte

Forte

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greasemonkeymann said:
I agree, in fact I would use NONE of the guano, but that's me, too damn water soluble, and you can get a much better source of nitrogen and phosphorus from other nutrients.
Neem meal, alfalfa, fish bone meal rock phosphates, etc.
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Do you think my soil recipe is lacking in Potassium? The flowers didn't develop that good. They lacked density and size. The potency was pretty good.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Forte said:
Do you think my soil recipe is lacking in Potassium? The flowers didn't develop that good. They lacked density and size. The potency was pretty good.
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nah man, you over-nuted them, even in organics you can do that, and you amended enough for three times the soil you had.
Besides you had sul/po/mag, crab meal, kelp, all those have potassium in them.
I honestly never seen an organic soil that has a potassium def, even though it is a macro its really not an issue, phosphorus and nitrogen? Sure.
But the argument can be made that a properly amended organic soil really shouldn't need anything, provided it's amended correctly.
 
Forte

Forte

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greasemonkeymann said:
nah man, you over-nuted them, even in organics you can do that, and you amended enough for three times the soil you had.
Besides you had sul/po/mag, crab meal, kelp, all those have potassium in them.
I honestly never seen an organic soil that has a potassium def, even though it is a macro its really not an issue, phosphorus and nitrogen? Sure.
But the argument can be made that a properly amended organic soil really shouldn't need anything, provided it's amended correctly.
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Ok. Am I lacking any micro nutrients in my recipe? I just want to make sure I have everything to have a successful grow this year. I burned two plants last year: Platinum Bubba Kush and Diamond OG.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Forte said:
Do you think my soil recipe is lacking in Potassium? The flowers didn't develop that good. They lacked density and size. The potency was pretty good.
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also, you said it was 5 gallons of soil, how many plants did you have, reason i'm asking is to have truly happy organic plants in my experience it's super important to have at least 4-5 gallons of growing media per plant.
So your plant may have been rootbound as well as over nuted.
BUT if it was over-nuted the roots probably were stunted.
Did you examine the rootball?
I always urge growers to do that on any suspect plant, sorta like an autopsy, it's also a great way to see the results of any experimental soil recipe-tweeks
 
Forte

Forte

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greasemonkeymann said:
also, you said it was 5 gallons of soil, how many plants did you have, reason i'm asking is to have truly happy organic plants in my experience it's super important to have at least 4-5 gallons of growing media per plant.
So your plant may have been rootbound as well as over nuted.
BUT if it was over-nuted the roots probably were stunted.
Did you examine the rootball?
I always urge growers to do that on any suspect plant, sorta like an autopsy, it's also a great way to see the results of any experimental soil recipe-tweeks
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I grew 3 plants in 5 gallon buckets. I'm planning on using 10 gallon smart pots this year. I didn't examine the rootball.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Forte said:
Ok. Am I lacking any micro nutrients in my recipe? I just want to make sure I have everything to have a successful grow this year. I burned two plants last year: Platinum Bubba Kush and Diamond OG.
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I doubt it, you didn't have any defs last run, you just over fed them, we've all done it, just give em less, or make a totally diff recipe.
I recommend the latter of the two suggestions.
 
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