Soil pH'd to 6.5 with chemical nutrients -Why?

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

Soils retain water that can dissolve a range of molecules and ions. These solutions exchange gases with the soil atmosphere, contain dissolved sugars, fulvic acids and other organic acids, plant nutrients such as nitrate, ammonium, potassium, phosphate, sulfate and calcium, and micronutrients such as zinc, iron and copper. These nutrients are exchanged with the mineral and humiccomponent, that retains them in its ionic state, by adsorption. Some arid soils have sodium solutions that greatly impact plant growth. Soil pH can affect the type and amount of anions and cations that soil solutions contain and that be exchanged between the soil substrate and biological organisms.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

Bonkleesha said:
hes cramming on wikipedia to make a retort. this should be good.

Actually wikipedia would of answered his question before he wrote the thread

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

Bonkleesha said:
"Cannabis requires a pH range around the neutral value of 6.0-6.5 so that it can assimilate nutrients from the growing medium"

medium... the soilless mix you use.

if it runs out of nutes, get one that has the polymers covering the fertilizer grains. time release. yah, there are BIG name companies that fuck their container mix up so u buy more liquid nutes.

and its NOT soil. its a sterile media that has organic matter and aggregate. maybe the ferts like i said. u could always go to a soil & media place and have them mix whatever you want.

i dont know whatelse to put. i dont think you have a good concept of it. take a soils, media, and nutrition class. tired of trying to lead blind noobs that dont listen.

and no offense... its not just you. apparently there are LOTS of people on here who one up my horticulture info that i got in college... where did you learn your fundamentals (just curious since u thro everything i say out the window)... AND THEN YOU REFER TO CONTAINER MIX as "soil". fuck it. clean out ur vaccum and plant in that if you want dirt. your narrow mindedness has prevented you from learning something great here. its ok, tho. to each their own.

I can tell you are one of the people that won't be around here long. From what I have read he has done nothing to undermine your 'college' education. All he has done is try to get an answer to his question which you have not done. Relax and smoke a bowl

Thedillestpickle · Feb 17, 2012

"cation exchanges (of course in nursery mix, too... but not from negatively charged clay)... H+, K+, Ca++, Mg++, NH4+, Al++ (or Al+++) are attracted to the necative charge of clay"

That's the first usefull post you've made so far

thanks

Bonkleesha · Feb 17, 2012

IN33DW33D said:
Soils retain water that can dissolve a range of molecules and ions. These solutions exchange gases with the soil atmosphere, contain dissolved sugars, fulvic acids and other organic acids, plant nutrients such as nitrate, ammonium, potassium, phosphate, sulfate and calcium, and micronutrients such as zinc, iron and copper. These nutrients are exchanged with the mineral and humiccomponent, that retains them in its ionic state, by adsorption. Some arid soils have sodium solutions that greatly impact plant growth. Soil pH can affect the type and amount of anions and cations that soil solutions contain and that be exchanged between the soil substrate and biological organisms.

YES YES YES! my understanding is the salt content is a BIG concern with digested dairy fiber. its all regulated how they have to leach it... kinda like mushroom compost.

im looking into using calcined clay in a container mix to raise CEC levels.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

Thedillestpickle said:
That's the first usefull post you've made so far

thanks

Nobody is making useful posts because your question is full of retard. Your saying soil is a bunch of organic nutrients? Why don't you look up what soil is before you assume what it is? There's only 5% organic nutrients made up in a regular soil anyways..

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

I do see your logic, and I'm not a smart guy either.. But I'm just sayin.. If what you were saying could be true, don't you think someone would of thought of that a long ass time ago.. kind of a stoner theory if you ask me.

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

The thing is when people don't fully understand things they ask questions to better expand their knowledge and in his case grow better cannabis. I don't understand the theory of completely bashing a guy because what he says doesn't fully make sense because there is something you know that he doesn't. Instead of being a Prick just explain it. Every1 doesn't have this 'college' education which obviously doesn't make you a better person.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

ievolution said:
The thing is when people don't fully understand things they ask questions to better expand their knowledge and in his case grow better cannabis. I don't understand the theory of completely bashing a guy because what he says doesn't fully make sense because there is something you know that he doesn't. Instead of being a Prick just explain it. Every1 doesn't have this 'college' education which obviously doesn't make you a better person.

The thing is that it took me about 3 minutes to google information about soil and copy/paste it here. Don't bitch about smart ass answers when the correct ones are already there.

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

He did this for answers and the discussion to fully understand it. This is what RIU is for. I know you are new here but if you don't like the way things are here then leave. I have seen plenty of people like you and the other guy come and go.

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

Ganja Smoker Pot Head

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Hey all I got my girls about 2 weeks old now and some of them are giving me signs of nute burn or some kind of defiency. I am using 20ml of the following in my 4 gallon buckets: calmag, cns17, aquashield, and liquid karma. I am running most my plants at 450-500. These bad ones are at 395.

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I mean it is similar to a post like this. It could of been easily googled but isn't things just easier when you have other people to help you out and talk you through it so you understand it better. Just relax and explain it like those kind people did for you.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

ievolution said:
Ganja Smoker Pot Head

Join DateOct 2011LocationHoughtonPosts342

leaves turning color PLS RESPOND

Hey all I got my girls about 2 weeks old now and some of them are giving me signs of nute burn or some kind of defiency. I am using 20ml of the following in my 4 gallon buckets: calmag, cns17, aquashield, and liquid karma. I am running most my plants at 450-500. These bad ones are at 395.

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I mean it is similar to a post like this. It could of been easily googled but isn't things just easier when you have other people to help you out and talk you through it so you understand it better. Just relax and explain it like those kind people did for you.

I don't know what that means but I had plant problems in the past that had nothing to do with any google related search or any user help I got. It was because I had a bad batch of nutrients. I bought new bottles and my plants look awesome today.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

ievolution said:
He did this for answers and the discussion to fully understand it. This is what RIU is for. I know you are new here but if you don't like the way things are here then leave. I have seen plenty of people like you and the other guy come and go.

I supplied the OP with the answers, what's the big deal?

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

Pretty simple honestly, all I was saying is there are plenty of places on google to find every deficiency or cannabis problem out there. Just because it is out there doesn't mean you can't ask for help so you fully understand something.

It is the way you guys did it. I could go back and find 10 different comments from each of you being off the wall with your remarks in a very rude and unfriendly way. This forum was made for discussions, showing your plants, and getting help. All I am saying is next time try not to be so rude with your help. This thread is over anyway.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

ievolution said:
Pretty simple honestly, all I was saying is there are plenty of places on google to find every deficiency or cannabis problem out there. Just because it is out there doesn't mean you can't ask for help so you fully understand something.

Honestly, that's what I call a cool story bro. Such a riveting tale, I honestly copy and pasted it to word, saved on my hard drive, backed it up on a jump drive, drove to the bank, put the jump drive in the safe deposit box, and will leave it there until my kids turn about 12 (when they can actually state their age, and ask what it is I'm showing them), when I will pick it up, put it in an old USB drive reader and relay this cool story to them and tell them, "kids, this is what a cool story should look and sound like...not like the stories your generation tells.

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

That really deserved that remark? You really are upset about this. Just more proof you wont be around here long.

IN33DW33D · Feb 17, 2012

ievolution said:
That really deserved that remark? You really are upset about this. Just more proof you wont be around here long.

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

ievolution · Feb 17, 2012

IN33DW33D said:
The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

How did you get any of this from what I have said. All I have remotely implied is you were being a prick and needed to just chill out. So since you fell short of all your goals and dreams you run around on internet sites acting like a 'bully'. Now somehow all this equates to me focusing on the wrong things in life when in all honesty I am the last person to even think of caring about materialistic BS. Believe me I don't need your pity what you really need to worry about is right now in your like you're online making childish assumptions while being a grumpy old man. Now that is something for you too pity. This could go on and on but I will instead stop here and get back to my GF and life. Try to cheer up bud and smoke more weed.

Bonkleesha · Feb 17, 2012

ievolution said:
How did you get any of this from what I have said. All I have remotely implied is you were being a prick and needed to just chill out. So since you fell short of all your goals and dreams you run around on internet sites acting like a 'bully'. Now somehow all this equates to me focusing on the wrong things in life when in all honesty I am the last person to even think of caring about materialistic BS. Believe me I don't need your pity what you really need to worry about is right now in your like you're online making childish assumptions while being a grumpy old man. Now that is something for you too pity. This could go on and on but I will instead stop here and get back to my GF and life. Try to cheer up bud and smoke more weed.

what a troll. all he has done is troll. obviously, its the same guy on a different account. talking about bullying and then bashing. haha. this thread needs dropped in the trash. sometimes a rule is a rule. if he wanted to knopw he would have found out...i have a feeling he is connected to the internet. he (YOU!) just want to argue and troll it.

ARE YOU HAVING A GOOD EVENING OF TROLLING?

Thedillestpickle · Feb 17, 2012

Trolling eh?

How would you define trolling?

I did start this thread afterall

As far as I understand it would be pretty hard to troll my own thread, and I invited ievolution into this thread so that he could take a look at my theory and give his input

BTW I am not ievolution and if you take a look at our grows you will see that.

Here's your post that you supposedly schooled me with-

"Soils retain water that can dissolve a range of molecules and ions. These solutions exchange gases with the soil atmosphere, contain dissolved sugars, fulvic acids and other organic acids, plant nutrients such as nitrate, ammonium, potassium, phosphate, sulfate and calcium, and micronutrients such as zinc, iron and copper. These nutrients are exchanged with the mineral and humiccomponent, that retains them in its ionic state, by adsorption. Some arid soils have sodium solutions that greatly impact plant growth. Soil pH can affect the type and amount of anions and cations that soil solutions contain and that be exchanged between the soil substrate and biological organisms."

There is definately some good info on wikipedia, but as far as showing me the flaw in my theory, this doesn't work.

All of those characteristics could easily be describing a coco-coir medium being fed with salt based nutrients
There is nothing in that description that is specific to soil

your post that you are so proud of is a complete fail(or full of retard as you put it)

Hey check out my grow btw I'm growing in coco.. let me describe my coco medium to you a bit-

My coco medium retains water that can dissolve a range of molecules and ions. These solutions exchange gases with the coco medium atmosphere, contain dissolved sugars, fulvic acids and other organic acids(I also use humic acid), plant nutrients such as nitrate, ammonium, potassium, phosphate, sulfate and calcium, and micronutrients such as zinc, iron and copper. These nutrients are exchanged with the mineral and humic component, that retains them in its ionic state, by adsorption. Some arid arid coco mediums have sodium solutions that greatly impact plant growth. Coco pH can affect the type and amount of anions and cations that coco solutions contain and that be exchanged between the coco substrate and biological organisms."

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