SOG Dual Level Cabinet Design- 98 Plants in 3x3 area w/Diagram

98 Plants in a 3'x3' SOG

So I spoke to a guy who swears by SOG.


Says he grows in 5.5 inch pots and yields some serious weight per plant.



He is very reputable so i trust what he says and apparently he has grown 2 setups the same size and SOG cannot be touched in respect to weight per plant.

That being said, i have an idea id like to play around with and bounce it off you guys a lil.



Do you think this idea will work? If not, what foreseeable problems might I run into.
Ive grown before in this space..flawlessly.

I have a 38" x 38" area and 74" high.

I plan on running 49 plants in 5.5 inch square pots touching side to side which will fill the space completely on 1 level.

Now with 74 inches of height im thinking i might create a top shelf and double the plant numbers to 98.


I wanna use 1 600w bulb per shelf.


I plan on growing single colas and lolly-popping were necessary.


They will be tight and very close together but 30 square inches should be more than enuff room for a single Cola to grow.



The idea is to have 10 inches between plants and lights finishing plants at 16 inches.


See diagram below and let me know what you think.



thanks

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wow

I don't know what to say except it sounds good. I'm considering doing a sea of green in a closet length 5.88 ft. and width 2.17 ft. and height of 7.9 inches. Not sure though I'm wanting to do as many plants in square containers side by side as I may be extending my closet though to 5.88ft. x 4 ft. before I start flowering all the plants.

Keep in mind that you are not going to get "serious weight" per plant. SOG is actually the least use of a plant that you will get, the reason for this is because, as you said, it is just one main cola...one bud compared to that same one cola plus many others with any other form of growing. But since the plants stay so small and compact the grower is able to compensate by growing many more plants to make up for it. It is a great method for people that have their grows dialed in. You will need a nice momma plant to supply all those clones and they all need to be about the same size. It's a great way to get a lot of pot in each grow, but to clarify you do get much less per plant.

The firs problem I see with your design is the two chambers setup. If you have 74 inches Total that is 37inches per grow. The light itself is going to take up about 12 inches height and let's say 6 inches from the glass at end of flowering which gives us 18 inches of room less already. low profile pots are still 6inches and you will be watering all 90 plants every day, it will get tough to get to the back when it's that tight. So that gives us 24 inches of used up space, leaving you with 13 inches to grow in... Which is impossible for a sog grow.

Sorry to be a downer, but just do one chamber sog with a 600 you will be set

Impossible is a bad word... I should say inefficient and impractical.

The f is that shit. Come here for free advertising? Wtb negative rep button

cloning is the easy part. i can make 100 clones in 15 days. np

when i say weight per plant i dont mean a lil sog plant is gonna weigh more then a large plant. I just mean the weight of the buds will be heavier and more dense then a plant that grows larger sharing it resources. this is coming from someone who tried, tested and feels the sog is true.

I def wont have to water everyday. plants that small will need water every 3 days. ive grown in 2 litre pots and they fed the same.

I have a pretty neat system for watering a lot of plants in a small area. heres how i do it:

I take a 20 litre bucket. install a valve on the bottom. attach a 15 ft hose. install another valve on the hose 4 feet up from the end of the hose. mix up my nutes before every water and hang the bucket on a hook on my grow room ceiling right beside the cabinet. with the second valve 4 feet up from the end of the hose i can now water just by holding the hose over each pot and opening the valve. easiest thing in the world.

As for the light it wont take up 12 inches at all..heres why. im not using a reflector or a bulb enclosure. the top of the cabinets levels are flat and covered with mylar.
The light bulb is hps and its horizontal. I measured..it will use 4 inches from the top of the cabinet. depending how i mount it 5 inches would be the max. Directly above the bulb, flush with the cabinet ceiling, is a metal plate running the length of the bulb which will protect the wood from the heat. So the measurements in the diagram are realistic. I dont see how its inefficient or impractical. when u have ur grows dialed in like you said this seems so easy. just gotta put in some hours. and thats hardly considered work.

do 4 plants on each level and SCROG, fuck the sog...

solarguy said:

do 4 plants on each level and SCROG, fuck the sog...

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Can you elaborate why?

because 98 clones is just a bitch...you will get more weight and bigger buds for sure...

Scrog will still get multiple bud shoots but bigger ones....do one half scrog one half sog...same strains....you will get some subscribers fosho...

Ok so 15 in covers light and heat gap (personally I'm worried about cooking the plants without a hood/glass). 6 inch seems standard for these pots so 21 in total. That leaves you with 16 inches of oven to grow in. Take 6in clones and prey they flower right off when forced after rooting. If it is a shortish strain then you could get lucky and finish at 16in but I am still thinking your hard pressed to make that.

As far a bud weight, the small forced plants will have the same density as any other grow given proper lighting. It's all in the math.

I really would be worried about keeping that room cool enough for the plants to live, i mean an open bulb in such a tight space is going to complicate things. Also remember that the bottom bulb is going to be cooking the board separating the two chambers and as such your soil/root area is going to get hot one top chamber. Going to need some serious thought into insulation.


He mentioned scrog as it would fit that area nicely and the 4 plants could produce enough to equal the same sog harvest with, in general, denser buds. The drawback is a much longer veg time as with sog it's pretty much clone to flower

He adds a fun thought. Two similar chambers, we all love to see comparison grows ESP when it is from clones. The question is what to test

i agree with the heat issues.... however glass sheets and even lexan (plexiglass) are pretty cheap from lowes and home depot. but youre probably gonna need a cold air source of some sort. sounds like a good challenge and good upcoming grow none the less.

ive done what your are askin in 2x2x3.5 stacked running 2-250w. i flower by 5in and plants varry 14-17in for most indicas. id can be done but the main problem i ran into was the top champer was a little hotter than the bottom about 5 degrees difference. if you can air cool the lights and if your room temps are low enough then it is possible and worth using the space. the only other problem was watering which i fixed with a 396gph pump and drippers on a timer. i ran that set up for the last year and a half and with 9 plants per/box consistently get an oz per plant very close to 1g/w which was and will always be my goal. hope this helps

the dripper setup would sure make things easy, though the hose on a bucket thing is not bad either, just gotta snake it under the canopy i suppose.

Have you thought of using the whole 7 feet and going with a vertical grow? you could probably fit the same number of plants if you do a sog type vert setup and the heat may be easier to deal with.

solarguy said:

do one half scrog one half sog...same strains....you will get some subscribers fosho...

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hmmm sounds like a good idea. And a good way to really find out what produces more.

karr said:

Ok so 15 in covers light and heat gap (personally I'm worried about cooking the plants without a hood/glass).

Also remember that the bottom bulb is going to be cooking the board separating the two chambers and as such your soil/root area is going to get hot one top chamber. Going to need some serious thought into insulation.

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last grow was same distance. I vent and bring in cool air. and its fine.

im thinking of covering the top side of the second shelf with lexan. in addition to the steel plate.

karr said:

He adds a fun thought. Two similar chambers, we all love to see comparison grows ESP when it is from clones. The question is what to test

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I have Jilly Bean & Chernobyl. one level for each.

d r0cK said:

i agree with the heat issues.... however glass sheets and even lexan (plexiglass) are pretty cheap from lowes and home depot. but youre probably gonna need a cold air source of some sort. sounds like a good challenge and good upcoming grow none the less.

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good idea...lexan will work like a tanning bed. (Resist heat) check my diagram i have a dedicated cold air inlet coming straight from outside. Cool northern air.

shortshack13 said:

ive done what your are askin in 2x2x3.5 stacked running 2-250w. i flower by 5in and plants varry 14-17in for most indicas. id can be done but the main problem i ran into was the top champer was a little hotter than the bottom about 5 degrees difference. if you can air cool the lights and if your room temps are low enough then it is possible and worth using the space. the only other problem was watering which i fixed with a 396gph pump and drippers on a timer. i ran that set up for the last year and a half and with 9 plants per/box consistently get an oz per plant very close to 1g/w which was and will always be my goal. hope this helps

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thanks for the feedback. i have the watering figured out. but auto pumps would be ideal. 5 degrees isnt much if ur in the high seventies like (lower chamber 78- upper chamber 83) i dont see that being a factor. /

karr said:

the dripper setup would sure make things easy, though the hose on a bucket thing is not bad either, just gotta snake it under the canopy i suppose.

Have you thought of using the whole 7 feet and going with a vertical grow? you could probably fit the same number of plants if you do a sog type vert setup and the heat may be easier to deal with.

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Thats exactly it ..you snake it under the canopy and open the valve.

To much building for the vert grow and im not 100 percent familiar with vert grows yet. I do like the idea tho.

I wish i had the setup Ed Norton had in "leaves of Grass" Everything under one Quansun hut lol

Anyone seen that movie yet? Unbelievable setup.

if this idea ever made it to flower let me know