So You Think You Know Your Weed? THINK AGAIN!

ttystikk

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Indica, Sativa, Ruderalis – Did We Get It All Wrong?
By: Mitchell ColbertJanuary 26, 2015
Since the 1970s, cannabis has been divided into three sub-species (often confused as different species), C. indica, C. sativa, C. ruderalis, with ruderalis largely being considered ‘wild cannabis,’ not fit for medicinal or recreational uses. A commonlay-persons distinction is between marijuana, which is bred for high cannabinoid content, and hemp, which is bred for industrial uses like fiber.

Any of the three subspecies can be bred as a hemp or marijuana plant. John McPartland, a researcher affiliated with GW Pharmaceuticals, presented a study at the 2014 meeting of the International Cannabis Research Society, proposing a new nomenclature for cannabis. The original report on O’Shaughnessy’scontains more information than I can reproduce here, and has a wonderful chart; it is definitely worth your time to read.

It seems Richard Evans Schultes, the man who created the original taxonomy for cannabis in the 1970s, misidentified a C. afghanica plant as a C. indica plant. That one mistake began 40 years of confusion which has only been dispelled by McPartland’s research this year.

McPartland was the first researcher to look at the genetic markers on the three subspecies of cannabis using the plant’s genome to conclusively identify where it originated. He also proved conclusively that they are all the same species, just different subspecies. As it turns out, C. sativa should have been identified as C. indica, because it originated in India (hence indica). C. indica should have been identified as C. afghanica, because it actually originated in Afghanistan. Finally, it seems that C. ruderalis is actually what people mean when they refer to C. sativa.

If that sounds confusing, refer to this handy table, or the original chart.

Cannabis Indica (Formerly Sativa)

Origin: India

Morphology: Taller (>1.5m) than their short and stocky Afghanica cousins, with sparser branches and less dense buds/flowers.

Physiology: Longer flowering time, between nine and fourteen weeks. Minimal frost tolerance with a moderate production of resin.

Chemistry: Much greater THC than CBD and other cannabinoids, this leads to the “head high” many users report.

Psychoactivity: Stimulating.

Cannabis Afghanica (Formerly Indica)

Origin: Central Asia (Afghanistan, Turkestan, Pakistan)

Morphology: Shorter (<1.5m) than Indica strains with dense branches with wider leaves, and much denser buds/flowers

Physiology: Shorter flowering time, as little as seven to nine weeks. Good frost tolerance with high resin production. Afghanica strains can be susceptible to mold due to how dense the buds and branches are.

Chemistry: More variable than Indica strains. THC is often still the predominant cannabinoid but some strains have 1:1 ratios and some may have even higher CBD than THC.

Psychoactivity: Sedating.

Cannabis Sativa (Formerly Ruderalis)

Origin: Usually feral or wild. From Europe or Central Asia.

Morphology: Variable, depending on origin.

Physiology: The flowering time is short and variable, many varieties exhibit autoflowering traits (flowering independently of sun cycles). Moderate frost tolerance with relatively low resin production.

Chemistry: More CBD than THC. Prominent terpenes include caryophyllene and myrcene, giving these strains a floral flavor and scent.

Psychoactivity: Usually lacking.

This new nomenclature should come to replace the old system, because it is grounded in the actual genetics of the plant and is scientifically sound. Despite that, it is likely that this new naming scheme will face resistance from cannabis users and those in the medical cannabis industry who will have become used to decades of convention firmly establishing an inaccurate taxonomy.

This is reminiscent of the Brontosaurus, a dinosaur that never existed but we were all taught in school it was real, or the former 9th planet of Pluto (now a ‘dwarf planet’). Sometimes science gets it wrong and it is up to modern scientists with better methods, like McPartland, to correct our old mistakes.

The difficult part will be getting mass acceptance of his newly proposed taxonomy. What seems likely is that a split may develop between academics and laymen, with academics adopting the new system and laymen continuing to adhere to the old system, at least for a few more years.

Perhaps in time C. afghanica, C. indica, and C. sativawill come into the vogue, but that largely depends on the willingness of the medical cannabis industry to adopt this new system and thus pass it on to the patients and growers. But it seems unlikely that the cannabis industry would wholeheartedly jump on board, given the risk that this new nomenclature could confuse patients who may be used to seeing only “indicas” and “sativas” on the shelf.

Time will tell.
 

R3l@X

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No women in here so we'll be grand.
[ QUOTE="jcdws602, post: 11277672, member: 106129"]There will be mass hysteria!!

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homebrew420

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Yeah this has been in debate for a very long time. And I am not surprised that the genomic information has "set us free" on the debate. Wont change much for a generation or so. Our kids will study the true nomenclature in college taking botany or biology courses. Interesting, gotta love science for telling us we are wrong again.. Haha

Peace
 

ttystikk

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Yeah this has been in debate for a very long time. And I am not surprised that the genomic information has "set us free" on the debate. Wont change much for a generation or so. Our kids will study the true nomenclature in college taking botany or biology courses. Interesting, gotta love science for telling us we are wrong again.. Haha

Peace
Meanwhile, do you think we should just stick with the wrong names to avoid *further* confusion?
 

homebrew420

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Meanwhile, do you think we should just stick with the wrong names to avoid *further* confusion?
I dont really refer to the species name much at all and especially dont like when people refer to an effect of being high. Its a sativa high, indica etc. The fact that some botanists believed in a single species with multiple subspecies is enough for me to throw my hands up and stop caring about that. Doesn't really affect us as growers. And at this point as a breeder either. Interesting none the less

Peace
 

ttystikk

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I dont really refer to the species name much at all and especially dont like when people refer to an effect of being high. Its a sativa high, indica etc. The fact that some botanists believed in a single species with multiple subspecies is enough for me to throw my hands up and stop caring about that. Doesn't really affect us as growers. And at this point as a breeder either. Interesting none the less

Peace
In other words, the stereotypes no longer fit the terms because of interbreeding and breeding for selective traits?

Plus, everyone tells me they feel differently from the same strain as it is.

Good points. Who cares what it's called if it works!
 

vitamin_green_inc

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Exactly, and so many hybrids now, the only pure sub species are called landraces and usually have the name of their origin country in the strain name anyway
 

Merlin34

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Imagine the budtenders trying to educate the public that sativas are no longer sativas etc... Chaos.

Sent from Northern Colorado.
 
I believe we all still have it wrong. The plants are wider ranging in diversity then any botanist understands or any other person alive today.

Long ago the plants were utilized by sex and type. Divisions of factors and variables along with breeding of this plant in harmony with nature helped shape and form the plants into fiber, seed, oil, and medicine..If we begin to break these four down we can begin to see a pattern interjected into the specie as a whole. The plant and mans symbiosis is ancient and it all relates to the beginning of our existence here.

Paleoethnbotany and all forms of Archaeology as well have not one true clue to our plants deepest origin. Looking at fossilized stones we have no evidence of its existence in the ancientest of earths beginnings. It is as if it did fall out of the sky or as the Dogon spoke of, from another world far from this one. Those ancients in India had a lot to say about Shiva and when it comes to the plants origins. The western world can only trace its buried remains (fossilized plant matter) with human settlements.

Nothing exists in solid archaeological rock form of fossil classification (10,ooo years + in age for this certification.) No real proof of its existence here beyond those traces left by ancient people in other words. We have been lied too for far too long in many ways about the unknowns of this plants history and effect on mankind and its many civilizations. Many ancient people have been discovered around the world buried with this plants sacred medicine and seed while the Smithsonian and other govt agencies have kept a portion of the truth locked well beyond our reach..

I like to see this as one big puzzle that can be somewhat put together but yet its one of those second hand puzzles missing pieces. You can only see so much of the overall picture due to this all. Wide leaf Sativa and narrow leaf Indica, Hemp, Sativa, Indica or Kafiristanica as examples. The list continues to the feral types like Ruderalis as well . The plant is no different in many aspects even though it appears to be a huge diverse family of one. Some say Hybridization is not even aplicable towards the specimen in general as we do not call biracial people like me a hybrid unless you consider the old racial slur of half breed to indicate such. lol Something to think about being that a hybrid is a cross between two different species. So again the question is are there more then one species or just many many different races/breeds or types when all said and done.

The scientific community is just as clueless as the majority who follow the books written about the types of cannabis the grower experienced first handed. Nobody and I mean absolutely no one can grow out all of the stock that has been formed through the plants co-evolution with man.. This plant is more diverse then most know or can understand and I too am overwhelmed at times once I step back and cleanse my mind of any preconceived views on this universal tree of life.

I can only trust in science to a point. The art form itself of this ancient quest for this particular type knowledge is still not really consistent and reliable. Nobody can explain many things yet about the phenomena of just the basic elements like fire and water Science can be humbled without much thought due to this lack of understanding even many of the basics yet, even though its rapidly advancing without basic critical knowledge.

When man can answer the deepest of these questions with a consistent scientific answer I will begin to listen to the science minded who study our beloved sacred plant in order to dismantle and dissect its hidden truth of origin(s). Once again that universal law of nature will prevail and the human will be yet the lower totem pole in the basics of understanding what the animals already know about all of the plant world. We as a whole are really a mess and if anything can save the world and humanity it will be this plant just as Jack Herer spoke of during that great vision he had that he called an epiphany
 
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