Villa
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I volunteer to be a lab rat...Just call me.
So do you "flush or not"?
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younggungrower
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Ovcourse not, But the stuff in the medium is transfered to the plants... Ergo, How they get fed.... This debate is pointless... You need to flush at 2 weeks to harvest... Ask any respected grower.
Cheers, Chris
Capt. Stickyfingers
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Lol. Listen to this guy drop some knowledge. Flushing does not affect smell or taste, period. Stick to your dresser grow, do some reading, hopefully some learning, LESS fact dropping and advice giving.
george xxx
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The only way to get good stuff
Plants do not need to be flushed unless overfed and salts build up that cause deficiencies.
I feel the need to flush everytime I shit
Can't be having no foul odors in the grow
younggungrower
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So your trying to tell me that flushing doesnt do anything? yet when you dont flush it leaves late nutrient build up in your bud. Reducing the medical quality. It may be my first grow but it takes an idiot not to know this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr58DBJ0Dw
ryan1918
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He says it but I mean what's the proof just because the ash is different? I would think different strains would also cause this, and if things aren't burning correctly that sounds more like a wet problem or not cured right, I just don't know on the subject and can't wait to actually test it too see the difference if there is any.
younggungrower
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Its only a slight differance in taste and harshness... But there is a differance if its legitly 100% for medical purposes. And it matters if the ash is differant because it shows you if it has nutes in it still(black ash) or not(white ash)
psillysimon
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heh...black ash most usually results from non cured poorly cured bud. even if i don't flush a plant and let it cure for a couple weeks i get white ash.
exactly.. most ppl cant tell the difference and ash means nothing but whether it was cured properly.. but from experience i've never flushed and had great results, but my last side by side i noticed that the taste came thru quicker on the flushed product... i feel that 2 weeks where the buds are feeding on themselves its takes less time to break down the chlorophyll once u dry. combine that with a proper dry and u'll never have hay smelling bud. just dont flush 2 early because u will hurt the end product... i would say start on week 7 on a 8 weeker and take it to 9..
also check ur runoff when u flush.. dont push for 0-100ppm ur first watering... i drop it gradually and the final week its 0-100ppm
also check ur runoff when u flush.. dont push for 0-100ppm ur first watering... i drop it gradually and the final week its 0-100ppm
Clown Baby
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people make a lot of baseless claims regarding this subject. Half of the reasons listed are just batshit crazy rumors that get spread from forum to forum.
Flushing for a week or two can accomplish a few things. feeding too much nitrogen too late in flower will have an effect on the taste of your smoke. Flushing with water will mean no more excess nitrogen for the plant. Depriving the plant of nitrogen will contribute to the breakdown of chlorophyll (thus causing fanleaves to yellow) while the plant is still alive. While magnesium is the central ion in chlorophyll, nitrogen is a major component. So the plant will effectively cannibalize itself, using up all of its reserves stored in the fan leaves.
That chlorophyll is what gives fresh weed that "hay" smell/taste that you sometimes notice. The cure is all about letting the chlorophyll to break down. By flushing the plant you're giving it a head start while it's alive and can actively break it down. Although a proper dry and cure should give you mostly the same result.
Flushing can also bring out some really nice colors towards the end of flowering. The dark green fades and yellows, purples and reds can start to show through.
So the flush isnt necessarily about cutting out EVERYTHING, but you might consider cutting down nitrogen at the end. There are a lot of commercial hydro growers that don't flush at all. But to say that "if you don't flush your buds taste like chemicals" simply isn't true.
Flushing for a week or two can accomplish a few things. feeding too much nitrogen too late in flower will have an effect on the taste of your smoke. Flushing with water will mean no more excess nitrogen for the plant. Depriving the plant of nitrogen will contribute to the breakdown of chlorophyll (thus causing fanleaves to yellow) while the plant is still alive. While magnesium is the central ion in chlorophyll, nitrogen is a major component. So the plant will effectively cannibalize itself, using up all of its reserves stored in the fan leaves.
That chlorophyll is what gives fresh weed that "hay" smell/taste that you sometimes notice. The cure is all about letting the chlorophyll to break down. By flushing the plant you're giving it a head start while it's alive and can actively break it down. Although a proper dry and cure should give you mostly the same result.
Flushing can also bring out some really nice colors towards the end of flowering. The dark green fades and yellows, purples and reds can start to show through.
So the flush isnt necessarily about cutting out EVERYTHING, but you might consider cutting down nitrogen at the end. There are a lot of commercial hydro growers that don't flush at all. But to say that "if you don't flush your buds taste like chemicals" simply isn't true.
Capt. Stickyfingers
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You're the idiot for arguing with seasoned growers about this shit, believe me. Fuck that video and stfu about "the medical quality" having anything to do with flushing, you make yourself sound even more noobish. I've been there, done that with all this shit. I've smoked buds of the same strain with dark green leaves and buds with yellow, leached leaves from flushing, and NO DIFFERENCE except yield. That's why I don't flush anymore and haven't for quite some time. Read around on other threads about flushing and see how many people with 12 posts say to flush and the folks that have respected skills say don't bother. Don't believe everything you read in high times or see in lame videos.
Capt. Stickyfingers
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Slow dry and curing properly gets rid of the chlorophyll (green) taste, not flushing.
10acjed
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New to this all and still trying to wrap my head around it all... I have officially decided to meet in the middle.
I read alot of people flush and use str8 water the last two weeks. I read others do not being its starving the plant at a critical stage.
When it looks like I am on my last 7 - 10 days I will flush and stop the nutes letting the soil get dry and the buds utilize the leaves
Now for flushers, do any of you use molasses? if so do you add it to your str8 water every time for the final 2 weeks? I was planning on using it once I stop the nutes, flush and do a dose of water + molasses..
I read alot of people flush and use str8 water the last two weeks. I read others do not being its starving the plant at a critical stage.
When it looks like I am on my last 7 - 10 days I will flush and stop the nutes letting the soil get dry and the buds utilize the leaves
Now for flushers, do any of you use molasses? if so do you add it to your str8 water every time for the final 2 weeks? I was planning on using it once I stop the nutes, flush and do a dose of water + molasses..
ryan1918
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I am starting to get the picture that flushing isn't really doing much at all, except a few minor things, it could possible give a better or worst taste but that could depend on the drying time, So all in all I wouldn't go no longer then a week without nuts just because.
How do I know how long to flower if I got multiple strains, over 15 different kinds, do you wait until the hairs turn almost all from white to colors or do you get one of them scopes to tell? I've only been going for 30 days or so and got at least 30 days to go. How long does a good dry time take? I've also heard of people giving there plants 3 days of darkness for the last days of there life, anyone hear anything about that? Any tips is much appreciated.
How do I know how long to flower if I got multiple strains, over 15 different kinds, do you wait until the hairs turn almost all from white to colors or do you get one of them scopes to tell? I've only been going for 30 days or so and got at least 30 days to go. How long does a good dry time take? I've also heard of people giving there plants 3 days of darkness for the last days of there life, anyone hear anything about that? Any tips is much appreciated.
younggungrower
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I know exactly what im talking about, no need to back down to seasond growers, Then in your opinion, it increases yeald. Why not flush to increase yeild? And obviously you dont use for medical benifit. If you did, you would legitly care aout medical quality. Im sure if somone had cancer they would not want to be smoking bud with fucking shit all in it. All i know man, is that it benifits by doing it. Cheers.
billybob420
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You need to do less talking and more reading. Straight up... you're making yourself look like an ass. Time to make a new login and start over, don't be such a douche bag next time.
medical/420
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I never flush, but I only give them water for the last 2-3 weeks
Capt. Stickyfingers
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Wrong, you don't know. How does flushing increase yield when you're starving the plant for nutrients? It doesn't at all. There are no chemicals in the buds, that is a myth. Again, grow some more, read, learn facts. N is N, P is P, K is K whether it's from bat guano or flora nova. It's the same on the molecular level. You want to tell me the difference between P in guano and the P in miracle grow? Can you tell me how the N P and K in miracle grow will make your buds taste chemicals? Since you know so much we can compare some photos of plants and buds, I have plenty of pictures. If you can't answer my questions or beat my pics then I don't know what else to tell you.
younggungrower
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Im not making myself look like anything... nore do i care how i put myself off to people. I know what im talking about. Also to add... How am i a douche bag for putting up my opinion. There is research behind this adn i got people who have personal experiance with it aswell. Just because i've never grown to harvest, doesnt mean im more stupid than a seed placed in cow shit. I know exactly what im talking about and if you look it all up, im right. But i guess some people, with diff techniques, use diff methods, and get diff results. Nice try at caling me out.