.Smoke's Hempy Bucket Adventures
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.Smoke
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Snapped some photos under the cmh in flower. It's nice to see them under regular lighting.
The oldest first. They're the remnants of everything that went through my feed change over to Jack's. Lots of deficiency and burns..
Newest to flower
And the in between ones...
I added a 13w led on a drop light for my peppers (20k lux), so I can keep the Cannarado Birthday Funk cut under the T5 @ 2k lux.
I can't believe how good it's looking after the first 24 hours. Fingers crossed. If I can clone like this, I'm on easy street.
The oldest first. They're the remnants of everything that went through my feed change over to Jack's. Lots of deficiency and burns..
Newest to flower
And the in between ones...
I added a 13w led on a drop light for my peppers (20k lux), so I can keep the Cannarado Birthday Funk cut under the T5 @ 2k lux.
I can't believe how good it's looking after the first 24 hours. Fingers crossed. If I can clone like this, I'm on easy street.
.Smoke
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Veg and flower are filled back up.
Original Glue and Glueberry seedlings in the back with the Cannarado Birthday Funk clone and a Girl Scout Cookies seed I dropped today.
The Pheno Hunters Grapefruit Diesel is proving to be a nice looking girl.
Nirvana Original Glue
Gelato finishing in a few weeks and a cross of my own
Birthday Funk starting to flower and another cross
Original Glue and Glueberry seedlings in the back with the Cannarado Birthday Funk clone and a Girl Scout Cookies seed I dropped today.
The Pheno Hunters Grapefruit Diesel is proving to be a nice looking girl.
Nirvana Original Glue
Gelato finishing in a few weeks and a cross of my own
Birthday Funk starting to flower and another cross
.Smoke
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I decided to take the plunge.
I ordered 2 of these 220w Qboard's. Couldn't pass them up for $133 a piece after discounts and taxes.
I plan to run a 1000w hps in my magnum hood centered in the 4'x8' with one of these on each end.
1440 mixed watts of goodness.
I ordered 2 of these 220w Qboard's. Couldn't pass them up for $133 a piece after discounts and taxes.
I plan to run a 1000w hps in my magnum hood centered in the 4'x8' with one of these on each end.
1440 mixed watts of goodness.
.Smoke
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A little late, but I got some Broccoli, cabbage, lettuce and cauliflower seeds started to go along with the peppers for the garden this year.
Loving that it's just a few regular led bulbs and the flourecent.
50w total to start the garden.
I figured I'd snap a few pictures of the flower tent looking "dark" with just a 1000w hps atm.
The 2 new 220w Qboard's should be in tomorrow. They should brighten things up a bit.
Loving that it's just a few regular led bulbs and the flourecent.
50w total to start the garden.
I figured I'd snap a few pictures of the flower tent looking "dark" with just a 1000w hps atm.
The 2 new 220w Qboard's should be in tomorrow. They should brighten things up a bit.
.Smoke
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New lights showed up. Decide to hang them in the veg tent to give them a warm up before going into flower. I'm interested to see how much heat they put off.
The hangers could be a bit better...
But other than that, they're well built and extremely bright.
26k lux @ 24"
Now I just have to wait for lighting to come on later today and see how these are going to work in flower.
So far I'm definitely happy for spending only $260.
The hangers could be a bit better...
But other than that, they're well built and extremely bright.
26k lux @ 24"
Now I just have to wait for lighting to come on later today and see how these are going to work in flower.
So far I'm definitely happy for spending only $260.
.Smoke
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Done playing around.
The boards read 118F on the IR gun. Shouldn't be an issue to keep them cool in the 4x8.
I (sadly) decided to ditch the 2x2 Cloudlab tent so I can just use the 150w Groplanner led for the entire veg tent. I'll likely keep this setup for veg through summer, and put the 2x2 back in for winter when I just have the cannabis and can utilize the smaller space to save on heating.
RH set to 65. Light @ 85% @ 18". I'm hoping it will get to 80F without any supplemental heating.
The boards read 118F on the IR gun. Shouldn't be an issue to keep them cool in the 4x8.
I (sadly) decided to ditch the 2x2 Cloudlab tent so I can just use the 150w Groplanner led for the entire veg tent. I'll likely keep this setup for veg through summer, and put the 2x2 back in for winter when I just have the cannabis and can utilize the smaller space to save on heating.
RH set to 65. Light @ 85% @ 18". I'm hoping it will get to 80F without any supplemental heating.
.Smoke
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Done and done.
It was a pain to get them hung, but hopefully it's worth it.
1440W mixed hps/3500k led (no camera filter)
You can see the crossover points clearly with the blue lens filter on. It's easier on the eyes too...
I'm going to run everything @ 100% for a few hours to get a good idea of what temperatures I'll be dealing with.
It was a pain to get them hung, but hopefully it's worth it.
1440W mixed hps/3500k led (no camera filter)
You can see the crossover points clearly with the blue lens filter on. It's easier on the eyes too...
I'm going to run everything @ 100% for a few hours to get a good idea of what temperatures I'll be dealing with.
jonnynobody
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Wow dude! I see you've got things dialed in beautifully. Your garden looks fantastic! How much are you saving in electric nowadays with the LED's versus the HID's you were running? I just made the switch to all LED too. Still need to grab a couple 240w long skinny boards to replace the 2 600's I removed, but I'm in no hurry. Hope all is well and it's raining buds and electric savings on your end
.Smoke
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Thanks.Wow dude! I see you've got things dialed in beautifully. Your garden looks fantastic! How much are you saving in electric nowadays with the LED's versus the HID's you were running? I just made the switch to all LED too. Still need to grab a couple 240w long skinny boards to replace the 2 600's I removed, but I'm in no hurry. Hope all is well and it's raining buds and electric savings on your end
I think I'm finally starting to get my nutes and everything lined out.
Electric savings is night and day.
I've gone from 90-110kWh per day to 50-65kWh for my whole house. I hate having so much top shelf hps equipment collecting dust, but I couldn't imagine ever going back.
Night and day...
jonnynobody
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How are the LED's treating you? I'm running my first all LED flower cycle. Stoked to see how everything shakes out. I start chopping on Wednesday. Trim prison eminent
.Smoke
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The leds are still working great.How are the LED's treating you? I'm running my first all LED flower cycle. Stoked to see how everything shakes out. I start chopping on Wednesday. Trim prison eminent
I'm still running into issues when flipping to flower though. 1.5ec with the Jack's just doesn't seems to cut it for me. 2 weeks after flip I have K deficiencies which just keep getting progressively worse until harvest. (Can somewhat see in the above picture)
I'm seriously considering trying 1.9 EC through the whole grow and if that doesn't work, switching back to GH trio.
How's your setup treating you nowadays?
jonnynobody
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I'm having the same problem after switching to all LED. It started in the 2nd week of flower with little red dots on the leaves. Then the leaf margins started going necrotic. My 4 blue dreams weren't effected much at all, but every other plant in the room showed extensive necrosis at the leaf margins. Flower development seems to be hindered slightly but I'm impressed with the results all things considered. I'll snap a pic later.
This problem never occurred under mostly HID. Next flower cycle I'm running 800ppm and I'll be trying the 10-20-30 bloom formula for the 1st 2 weeks. I don't think the finish formula is a game changer, but the 10-30-20 seems to make sense especially after this K debacle this cycle. I didn't even know it but I had a jack's classic 10-30-20 on hand from a ways back. Contacted JR Peters to confirm it was compatible in hydro and they gave me the thumbs up. I'm harvesting starting Wednesday this week. I'll post a pic later tonight after lights on. It seems like the plants really do draw up less nutrients under LED lighting. To be fair when I run HID's the plant's leaf temps are mostly much higher and the plant sweats more thereby drawing more nutrient rich water up into the plant. It's a theory at least. I figure the boost of P&K in the bloom formula for 2 weeks then running 321 through to the end at 800ppm should resolve the problem. I'm looking forward to the next run.
rkymtnman
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have you thought of K Sulfate as a supplement? probably w0ouldn't need much: it's usually potent as hell 0-0-52 or something like that
.Smoke
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I hate that you're having issues too, but I'm glad to know it's not just me being paranoid over the problems I've been having. After reading what you said about this starting after the led switch, I went and looked @ some older pictures of mine under HID and it's clear to me I was experiencing issues before I switched over.
I used some old GH trio on my last rez fill and was seriously looking at sticking with it, but now I'm not so sure anymore.
I figured before I abandoned the Jack's, I'm going to actually give it a chance. By that, I mean feed @ close to the recommended dosage.
I'm going to start @ 80% just under 1.8ec and see what happens. If I burn a plant, so be it. But at least I know I gave it a shot. I know "nute companies just want to sell their products", but I've always been a firm believer that the science put behind it is to make a good product that people will continue to buy, so why on earth would they recommend you feed your plants 2X what others say would "fry" them? It just doesn't make sense to me, so I'm going to give them a shot.
I ran a full grow @ 100% with Megacrop before and it didn't turn out too horrible so I figure Jack's wil at least do better than that.
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.Smoke
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I would but I'm kinda at the point where I have so many different nutrients sitting around that I hate to add anymore to the collection.
If I can't get it right with what I've got, then I have waaay bigger issues to deal with...
jonnynobody
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Did you run that UV formula at the flower switch?I would but I'm kinda at the point where I have so many different nutrients sitting around that I hate to add anymore to the collection.
If I can't get it right with what I've got, then I have waaay bigger issues to deal with...
I think another issue I had was lighting intensity. When I ran 80% HID in the flower room I always ran 75% power for the 1st 3-4 weeks. No later than week 5 I would increase the output to 100% then 115% overdrive mode a few days later through the end of flower. This cycle I had this false sense of security that I could run the lights at full power at week 2. I was dead wrong. In addition to the K deficiency due to starting flower at 600ppm I made the problem worse by blasting them with too much light too early. All I did was cause a good amount of leaf damage. Everything was looking fantastic with leaves pointing to the ceiling just eating up the light as if they couldn't look any healthier. Then I cranked the lights up to full power emitting more light than the plants could take resulting in leaf damage. Coupled with the K deficiency I made the perfect recipe for a rough flower cycle.
Next cycle I'll be adding the 10-20-30 for 2 weeks at the 12/12 flip, I'll be running the lights at 50% power until week 4 after flowers have set and are entering their bulking phase. At the beginning of week 4 I'll increase to 75% then 100% weeks 5-10. That should yield much better results.
Have you seen those cool new bar style lights that are taking over the LED light scene? The reason those are being made is the same reason HLG began spreading 6 small qb's on a metal frame. They're both addressing the exact same problem - too many diodes packed too tightly together creates a small footprint that emits far more light than the foliage can take. Plants get burned badly. By spreading the diodes, whether by strips on frame or qb's on frame, addresses that issue while creating a larger light footprint reducing the probability of light burn.
Checkout the HLG 600 Rspec: https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/collections/lamps/products/hlg-600-rspec
The 4 qb288's are spread out on the frame increasing the light's footprint while eliminating the likelihood of light burn. It's simply more efficient and a more appropriate way to design a light using LED chips. The diablo board takes this concept into overdrive, but still the same concept. Spread the power, spread the chips, spread the light, and enjoy the results.
I keep giving this fella a shout out but it's well deserved and checking out his journal will help put some rubber to the road on what I'm saying here. @DoubleAtotheRON has a great example in how he setup his lighting over his canopy: https://www.rollitup.org/t/compound-hqs-grows.1003300/
He's running the HLG 550V2 R-Spec @500w. See how high his lights are mounted? That's because if he had them any closer he would observe light burn on the foliage rather than healthy blossoming growth. I have low ceilings so I do not have the option of raising the lights. All I can do is reduce wattage, and I think that's a problem most of us deal with. Particularly folks that are growing in tents. Unless you're in a gorilla XL with the added headspace (who buys those expensive things?) it's difficult to mount a qb high enough to operate at 100% power start to finish. That's why there are so many threads about a new LED grower burning their plants to a crisp with a 450w qb stuffed in a 4x4 16" from a canopy of vegging plants.
I think your ladies may be suffering a bit of the light burn issue. It may at least be something to consider. Maybe experiment next time with one of your flower tents. Try monkeying with the intensity and see if it was a light intensity issue or a nutritive issue. Or a combination of the two.
I'm stoked to see how the next cycle goes with the changes I plan to incorporate. It should be a much smoother run with more sticky nugs