Small Scale, Second Grow! From Seed, Multiple Strains

MichiganMedGrower said:

I will explain once again. You water to 20% runoff evenly around the whole pot. Then do not water until the pot is very dry and light. 2-3 days for a water logged plant is way too soon. It would take like a week.

The plants all show the same thing. Too often watering so the roots stay wet and drowned.

The thick rubbed down drooping leaves are the common symptom.

Also. You only need cal mag if you are sure here is a deficiency. And the rest of the additives are just helping to clog the roots further too.

Let them dry out much longer. Even if they start to wilt you can water them and they will come right back.

Then run some fresh water only through to wash out the roots and then add only 5 or ten mills of pure Blend Pro Grow only. Then wait until dry and light again and only up the feed more if they need it.

They look like they will come back fine if you follow these directions. If you water early and add more shit they don't need it will just get worse.

Hope this finally helps.

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Thanks for all your help!

I don't think I was watering ENOUGH. I do think i was pouring the water too fast as well. If I let it dribble, they can hold a good amount of extra water. The "extra" water seems to get used up or evaporate pretty quick over the next day or so.

I believed there was a deficiency showing from earlier stages that progressed. They seemed to show a mag def first with light green coloring between the little sections on leaf edges. I think they were just a little hungry being in only Happy Frog soil.

I let a couple of them dry out real nice and wilt a little to get a threshold on too much dryness. I need to get more familiar with the right weight and dryness/moisture of the pots.

Would you feed with the Pure Blend Pro Grow every watering, or every other?

They all do seem to be bouncing back slowly. It looks like in another week there will be significant recovery. I'll upload some pics from a couple days ago

ChaosHunter said:

@f8youthmidman The speed bumps on your leafs indicate over watering, the claw "tips curling under and burnt" are because they are N toxic. Compare your leafs to @MichiganMedGrower pics.

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I wish mine looked like his! I see what you mean. Working on fixing the overwatering/nute issue. Thanks!! Any other tips/advice?

MichiganMedGrower said:

Training and using an "expert" nute program is not helpful in the beginning either. I let my first plants grow naturally. I only bent the too tall ones once in stretch and tied them down.

And even after years I am using one bottle of Grow nutes and maybe a little cal mag once in a while if needed. And I still only bend the plants over in flower to form a bush.

Most of them have every leaf when harvested. Even some have the original single leaves from the seedling stage.

Proper watering was the most important thing to get great results. The plants seem to love their driest day before watering the most. Every time I stress to water and end up leaving them another day they explode with growth and healthy leaves.

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Come to think of it, I've only ever tied them down! I'm definitely letting at least one or two run wild this next run. I really need to get a hold on the watering situation. I see exactly what you mean by that explosive growth right at the point of being too dry!!

420Dust said:

I think it's an oxygen/cfl heat, or c02 issue. My plants have this exact same look sometimes in my cfl cabnet. I only water when the soil is no longer damp or moist. AS soon as I place plants outside for a day or two they jump right back to perfect looking plants...anyway, just a thought..

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Hmm. I wouldn't be surprised if the CFL's had something to do with it. I just recently replaced most of the CFL bulbs with a Agrobrite 2ft. 4 bulb t5. They seem to be gaining health. Not sure if it's from the light or getting the watering/nute situation on track!

The air comes in though a passive intake at the bottom of the tent, and is taken out of the top through a 6in. Inline fan set to low speed. The temps are always 71-79, the oversized inline fan keeps the temps easily in check. Humidity is 31-45%,,, that could be one issue.

SOON I'll be buying a new light. Still leaning towards a 315. Can't wait to see how they like that light, and then I'll be able to move the t5 to the smaller veg only cab.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Environment comes first in my opinion. I agree to check all the things you suggest.

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temps - 71-79*
Humidity - 31-45%
CO2 - ?? Air is exchanged with air in living room cooled by an A/C unit
Nutes/water - you know how that's going lol
pH - comes out at 6.3-6.5... usually about 6.5 going in with nutes and 7.2 with tap water only

Whatchu think?

Pics!




Here's one of the plants that got wilted as a tester

Well they are looking green and the leaves seem to be happier.

I only feed nutes in flower. I feed a 1/2 approximate strength dose every time I water after about week 2-3.

I also leach the pots with and extra gallon of fresh water from time to time to clear out salt buildup.

In veg. I use ocean forest and never need any nutes added until week 6-8 if still in veg by transplanting up pot size with new soil every 2-3 weeks.

Sometimes I have to keep veg on a "holding pattern" until a space in flower room opens up.

Temp looks good. I read that plants like to be in the mid 70's so I keep my rooms 73-77 farenheight.

I do think the humidity is low. I run humidifiers and dehumidifiers for my whole house to keep humidity around 50-60%. But most of Colorado grows drier than that with no problems.

I will say that I would not fertilize any of those plants. I would wait and watch to see what they actually need. Then if they need some. Very light dose to start. 25% of directions max and if nutes are left in the soil there could be conflict. So always go easy until you are sure. Then still go easy. Nutes aren't like food for the plants. We are just fertilzing the soil for their future use.

Once we start messing them up with even bad watering practices or too much nutes they become uglier and harder to read so I tend to just water and wait if I am not sure.

They do much better when we mostly leave them alone. They need little nutes at the stage they are in.

It's a learning process. Don't over think everything. Read pot growing books when you feel the need to "help" them.

Good luck growing.