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txponto

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I know I can't speak for everyone here. But when someone posts asking very specific questions, it seems the jump to answer is always get COB. It's quite old and frankly not always correct answer. In fact it very rarely is. Why are these boards at that point where no matter the question the answer is get cob? COB's may very well be an amazing lighting option, but they are not for everyone and I'm sick and tired of COB's being shoved down everyone's throat here. The manner in which it is done is also highly suspect. I'd wager that many of these posters are getting some sort of a kick back or deep discount on their orders for doing it. It's appalling. Just the other day I posted asking for lighting advice given a budget of no more than $150 and that DIY is not an option. I have only 1 arm so I can't just BUILD something. When I continued to protest against spending extra money to get a cob kit I was insulted. I don't know if these boards use mods or admins or what not but something has to be done to clean this up. Nobody should be insulted for asking for recommendations given a set budget or any other circumstance.

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jay5coat

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Their are alot of people on here that feel if your not doing it their way your doing it wrong, and alot of insults for sure. You can grow using CFL, t5, hid, or led it doesn't matter as long as you get what your wanting. In my opinion is alot easier to read up about lighting than ask a question because you going to get 100 different opinions. Check the grow logs, see how people's plants look and decide from there. Good luck
 
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chillok

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OP there some serious hobbiests here that love the tech and support it, myself included. There are also some nice Chinese LED options out there, but the choices are dizzying.

Here's how I looked at it when I got dogged about my Chinese LED, I figured there's a reason so I spent six months learning about COB tech. I went with two Timber kits and am very happy I did. You can even get fully assembled kits.

I feel ya, but do know that the COB solutions are pretty cool. Good luck man!!
 
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ISK

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txponto said:
I know I can't speak for everyone here. But when someone posts asking very specific questions, it seems the jump to answer is always get COB. It's quite old and frankly not always correct answer. In fact it very rarely is. Why are these boards at that point where no matter the question the answer is get cob? COB's may very well be an amazing lighting option, but they are not for everyone and I'm sick and tired of COB's being shoved down everyone's throat here. The manner in which it is done is also highly suspect. I'd wager that many of these posters are getting some sort of a kick back or deep discount on their orders for doing it. It's appalling. Just the other day I posted asking for lighting advice given a budget of no more than $150 and that DIY is not an option. I have only 1 arm so I can't just BUILD something. When I continued to protest against spending extra money to get a cob kit I was insulted. I don't know if these boards use mods or admins or what not but something has to be done to clean this up. Nobody should be insulted for asking for recommendations given a set budget or any other circumstance.

Thanks for reading.
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no worries dude....as RIU has a few trolls that have inferiority complexes and can only justify their pathetic existence by spewing their opinions in a over zealous manner to the point of being rude and/or insulting.

I remember sunni commenting that the LED section is more effort to moderate than all the others combined...tells you a lot about so many of these wanna-be grow experts that have an overwhelming compulsion to convince the world that their method of growing pot is best for everyone.

anyhow, hope you do well with your grow....their are many of us that would be more than happy to help you out, in a respectful manner
 
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MadButcher

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txponto said:
I know I can't speak for everyone here. But when someone posts asking very specific questions, it seems the jump to answer is always get COB. It's quite old and frankly not always correct answer. In fact it very rarely is. Why are these boards at that point where no matter the question the answer is get cob? COB's may very well be an amazing lighting option, but they are not for everyone and I'm sick and tired of COB's being shoved down everyone's throat here. The manner in which it is done is also highly suspect. I'd wager that many of these posters are getting some sort of a kick back or deep discount on their orders for doing it. It's appalling. Just the other day I posted asking for lighting advice given a budget of no more than $150 and that DIY is not an option. I have only 1 arm so I can't just BUILD something. When I continued to protest against spending extra money to get a cob kit I was insulted. I don't know if these boards use mods or admins or what not but something has to be done to clean this up. Nobody should be insulted for asking for recommendations given a set budget or any other circumstance.

Thanks for reading.
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Yes, i couldn't agree more. It's like back in grade school when the teacher asked "who wants to...?"
And there was always a few dopes answering "I don't". Surely, people mean well, but when you ask "this or that light?" and the responses are something else, then it's just pure annoyance.
And like I said, not too long ago, there's no need to buy top of the line monsters for two or three autos.
 
MickFoster

MickFoster

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This doesn't just happen with led's but with almost any subject. Q: do you know about abc nutes? A: that stuff is garbage - use xyz. If people would just read the questions and only answer the questions that they have personal knowledge or experience with, everyone would be better off and there would be less juvenile bickering.
 
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txponto

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MickFoster said:
This doesn't just happen with led's but with almost any subject. Q: do you know about abc nutes? A: that stuff is garbage - use xyz. If people would just read the questions and only answer the questions that they have personal knowledge or experience with, everyone would be better off and there would be less juvenile bickering.
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Exactly when the question may have been will it work not is there better
 
Voidling

Voidling

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I stayed in the led forums a lot and don't know why there was much trouble moderating it. Maybe because I stay with the diy threads though, everyone is super nice and helpful with that and no one makes money with that. There is one poster that sells cob kits and pays advertising on this board who posts in those with helpful information for people even though he's not getting anything business wise for it directly.

That being said leds definitely are not the answer to everything. Especially as up front costs can get prohibitive.
 
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txponto

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Voidling said:
I stayed in the led forums a lot and don't know why there was much trouble moderating it. Maybe because I stay with the diy threads though, everyone is super nice and helpful with that and no one makes money with that. There is one poster that sells cob kits and pays advertising on this board who posts in those with helpful information for people even though he's not getting anything business wise for it directly.

That being said leds definitely are not the answer to everything. Especially as up front costs can get prohibitive.
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I decided that I am going with LED but I'm not forking out the cash for a COB. I don't need it. I have 1 plant in flower at a time. I've been growing under an array of CFL's for 9 months now and really cannot complain about how they work. I decided to go with the 450w Vipar panel as it's on sale right now through Amazon and I've seen plenty of logs showing that it can produce some nice thick colas. If I ever get to where I want to flower more than 1 plant at a time I might decide to upgrade to COB's. I don't pay electric due to disability so I don't give a horse crap about energy efficiency. I decided against CMH because I don't want to have to deal with the heat factors. It's just so disheartening as a relatively new grower to come on to some forums then in essence harassed because you don't do what other people are doing.
 
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Voidling

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I was fortunate when I was new to it all to stumble into an active thread of very friendly people to help me out. While they would suggest that I do things their way, which makes sense because that's where their best knowledge is as it works for them, they tried their best to help me with my crazy ideas.

LED is LED. The main advantage of cob I think is for diy people. I also love the fact mine is white light to my eye instead of blurple like my Chinese led was, but it grew in my set up just fine.

Right now I wish I was running hid, I'm having to run the heat anyway, though the propane is a cheaper source.

With led/cob though I would either run multiple small plants under its coverage size, or be sure to scrog or lst it flat. At least when I researched before led lacked the penetration to grow tall plants.
 
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txponto

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Voidling said:
I was fortunate when I was new to it all to stumble into an active thread of very friendly people to help me out. While they would suggest that I do things their way, which makes sense because that's where their best knowledge is as it works for them, they tried their best to help me with my crazy ideas.

LED is LED. The main advantage of cob I think is for diy people. I also love the fact mine is white light to my eye instead of blurple like my Chinese led was, but it grew in my set up just fine.

Right now I wish I was running hid, I'm having to run the heat anyway, though the propane is a cheaper source.

With led/cob though I would either run multiple small plants under its coverage size, or be sure to scrog or lst it flat. At least when I researched before led lacked the penetration to grow tall plants.
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I have help when it comes to LST. My wife is able to do all that for me with given instructions. All of my grows so far have been short stubby things. Using CFL's I had 0 intention of growing a monster. I'm sure I could have gone a little bigger but this was a nice plant with some potent smoke.

In fact I liked this one so much I took my first stab at revegging. Here is the same plant a month after harvesting. Popped her to flower 6 days ago.IMG_20161216_0834184_rewind.jpg
 

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mauricem00

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txponto said:
I know I can't speak for everyone here. But when someone posts asking very specific questions, it seems the jump to answer is always get COB. It's quite old and frankly not always correct answer. In fact it very rarely is. Why are these boards at that point where no matter the question the answer is get cob? COB's may very well be an amazing lighting option, but they are not for everyone and I'm sick and tired of COB's being shoved down everyone's throat here. The manner in which it is done is also highly suspect. I'd wager that many of these posters are getting some sort of a kick back or deep discount on their orders for doing it. It's appalling. Just the other day I posted asking for lighting advice given a budget of no more than $150 and that DIY is not an option. I have only 1 arm so I can't just BUILD something. When I continued to protest against spending extra money to get a cob kit I was insulted. I don't know if these boards use mods or admins or what not but something has to be done to clean this up. Nobody should be insulted for asking for recommendations given a set budget or any other circumstance.

Thanks for reading.
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many of us grow with other forms of light (CFLs. T5s,HPS. CMH.) and are very happy with our lights and understand that one size does not fit all. seems only the LED crowd feels they need to convince everyone else that their light are best for growing plants.an interesting side note is that T5s are the best selling grow lights and the only ones that you can buy at walmart.for your budget ($150) HPS or T5s may be your best option.still trying to figure out how a 300 watt Chinese LED that draws 136 watts of power and produces less than 21 watts of radiant power can outperform a 6 tube F 24 T5 that draws 144 watts of power and produces 38 watts of radiant power (light in the 400 to 700nm range)
 
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txponto

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mauricem00 said:
many of us grow with other forms of light (CFLs. T5s,HPS. CMH.) and are very happy with our lights and understand that one size does not fit all. seems only the LED crowd feels they need to convince everyone else that their light are best for growing plants.an interesting side note is that T5s are the best selling grow lights and the only ones that you can buy at walmart.for your budget ($150) HPS or T5s may be your best option.still trying to figure out how a 300 watt Chinese LED that draws 136 watts of power and produces less than 21 watts of radiant power can outperform a 6 tube F 24 T5 that draws 144 watts of power and produces 38 watts of radiant power (light in the 400 to 700nm range)
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For the T5's there aren't specific bulbs to use? Just get the color spectrum right and that's it? Like with CFL's you want to get the most watts you can. How exactly does that apply to T5?
 
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mauricem00

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txponto said:
For the T5's there aren't specific bulbs to use? Just get the color spectrum right and that's it? Like with CFL's you want to get the most watts you can. How exactly does that apply to T5?
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actually with CFLs and T5s their are a wide variety of bulbs you can use.with both types you can adjust your spectrum. 6500k/3000K mix is very popular but you can add UV bulbs and roseate bulbs (660nm) as well to fine tune your spectrum for better flowering and resin production.cfls are more work. because you need to adjust individual bulbs around the plants.the small 23 watt bulbs are much more effiecient than the large 150-300 watt bulbs. like many people here my first grow was with CFLs.with any form of light you want as much power as you grow room and budget can handle. more power means more light and even the most powerful grow light can't match the intensity of natural sunlight
 
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RM3

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txponto said:
For the T5's there aren't specific bulbs to use? Just get the color spectrum right and that's it? Like with CFL's you want to get the most watts you can. How exactly does that apply to T5?
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Lots of bulb options for T5, I've tried most of em, there are few that perform very well
 
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mauricem00 said:
seems only the LED crowd feels they need to convince everyone else that their light are best for growing plants.
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From my own research, proponents of LED have been ridiculed and tyrannized by staunch and steadfast users of CFL, and HID lighting. And now that LED is a formidable substitute for growing, those oppressed LED users are overly exerting there views and opinions onto others.

My .02...for what its worth ;-P
 
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mauricem00

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billson said:
From my own research, proponents of LED have been ridiculed and tyrannized by staunch and steadfast users of CFL, and HID lighting. And now that LED is a formidable substitute for growing, those oppressed LED users are overly exerting there views and opinions onto others.

My .02...for what its worth ;-P
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maybe if there was a little more honesty from LED makers there would not be so much ridicule of them.we still hear claims that 100 watts of LEDs can perform as well as 250 watts of HPS and the term "full spectrum" is thrown around like it means something. the ridicule is due to the false and exaggerated claims as well as the arrogant and superior attitude of LED growers. and calling a claim BS in not tyrannizing.many of us have tried LEDs and returned to other forms of lighting
 
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Bareback

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txponto said:
For the T5's there aren't specific bulbs to use? Just get the color spectrum right and that's it? Like with CFL's you want to get the most watts you can. How exactly does that apply to T5?
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I don't know if this helps but I have been eyeballing some t5 uva and uvb , and thinking about using as finishing bulbs ( side lighting ). Any thoughts.
 
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