sick plants pls help

recurring lockout why is this happening

veg room is 8x10 both rooms lined with mylar on the walls "plan to do cieling and floors also
water
i am pretty sure the water is a lil hard
also i put 30 gallons of water in a black 32 gallon trash can with four airstones at least 24 hours prior to watering with 4 capfuls of hydrogen peroxide "starting to put 1/2 tsp of epsoms salt per three gallons in there when i fill it to add mg for the hard water
i water with nutes at 6.3 and reg water at about 5.8-6.0 when i get runoff it usually comes out in the 5.0-5.8 area if it comes out lower i flush with 7.0 water i dont flush weekly because i dont have the time to do this i am very very busy

lights

2x t5 6 bulb cfl fixtures
soil
sunshine mix no.4 with sunshine perilite "big and chunky" at about alil over 1 third ratio
i use the botanicare power series lineup also i go by there latest feeding chart first at 1/4 strthen move up to a half dose at max didn't get the zho root stuff
pure blend origanal grow
power plant
blast off
silica blast
cal mag plus
aqua shield
power flower
pure blend original bloom
clearex "for flushing"
liquid karma
hydroplex
sweet "berry"
superthrive
strains
blue widow
midnight kush
blue cheese
lsd
violator kush
super silver haze
kushberry
pot size
i root them in rock wool cubes 2"
they go into a 1 gallon pot once rooted then when a transplant is needed the either go into three gallon pots or 18 gallon red totes like the ones u store xmas stuff in yes i drilled holes for drainage and air havent mixed any worm castings or blood meal or bone meal or vermiculit" spangum peat moss is in ss mix no.4 and stays wet for a long time so i didnt use any" in my soil mix i plan to add the other stuff my next round
flower room is 12-18
lights
"air cooled"
2x 1k hps
1x 600w hps i know i need more but recently pulled 10 0z off a plant and im happy with that yeild "mainly from the big pots"
i do have fans but i need more just broke atm

co2 isnt much i use three different gallons for the fermentation method works ok does need more
meters
hanna waterproof ph
hanna ppm
rapitest soil meter
aqua test vial from gh for a 2nd ph for increased acurracy or backup if u will


problem
ok here we go all plants in veg show signs of lockout some at ppm levels of only 450 for 1ft tall plants they are yellowing brown spotting on leafs red stems and viens leaves curling in a "v" shape at top mainly some look like p. def or burn it all starts withbrown spots then yellow then phos. then burn then viens turn red i have tried everything and it keeps recurring all plants are treated the same i didnt have a ph meter untill yesterday so now i can get that in check if it is the problem and this happend in three diff soils i was using ffof and happy frog, premier bk promix and now ssmix no 4 just bought that though and can tell if its helping yet transplanted two plants into it they are starting to look better in there but they also went from a three g pot to a 18g pot any ideas would be appreciated thanks this is second run of my legal medical grow



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Snow Crash

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I think it looks like some intermittent pH damage causing temporary lock out. Probably related to Phosphorus.

You seem to be feeding it all over the place. Sometimes this pH, sometimes that pH, sometimes you flush with another pH... Just find a level that works, 5.8ish, and make sure you get plenty of run off. The peat itself can be a little more acidic, and doesn't buffer well, so maybe 6.0 is a better level if you cannot top dress them with some dolomite to stabilize the pH table.

I think the purple of the stems is actually just stress related to the training. Nothing serious to worry about and I think the Silica should keep your plants strong.

Can you give us the ml per gallon of each nutrient you used in your last feeding?
 

bloomfields

Active Member
ppl always overfeed in the vegg stage , i find it so not needed with good soil with some bat guano added, they need nothing but tlc , i never understand this ...........
 

Snow Crash

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I think most people tent to over feed during the early seedling and early flowering stages. Plants can handle quite a bit of food during veg... and this isn't an overfeeding anyway...

Thanks for the useful commentary???
 
I will try to upload a pic of the feeding chart u can look at it on botanicare.com its the power series i only feed like once or twice a week.
at 1/4 str intro and 1/2 str when plants are bigger iwill post more pics after tomorrow what ph should i use for ss mix no.4 and does anyone have any exp with these nutes

Light Hours 18 18 18 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
Plant Phase Clone/
Seeds Veg Veg Tran Flower Flower Flower Flower Flower Flower Flower Harvest
4-5
days
w1 w2 w3 w4 w5 w6 w7 w8 w9 w10 w11 w12
Power Plant 7 10 - 15 15 - 20 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Power Flower 0 0 0 10 20 25 25 25 25 25 7.5 0
optonal stuff
Blast Off 5 10 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 6 0
Pure Blend Orig 5 10 10 - 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 10 5 0
Cal-Mag Plus* 0 5 5 - 7 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 0 0
Sweet 0 0 0 10 10 10 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 0
Aqua-Shield 5 10 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 - 15 10 0
Silica Blast 0 2 - 5 2 - 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 0 2 0
Hydroplex 0 0 0 0 5 5 5 5 5 3 2 0
Clearex 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 - 30

this is there chart i give 1/4 intro and 1/2 dose when plants get bigger ONLY FEEDING 1 or two times a week this is a ml to gallon ratio chart
 

bloomfields

Active Member
I think most people tent to over feed during the early seedling and early flowering stages. Plants can handle quite a bit of food during veg... and this isn't an overfeeding anyway...

Thanks for the useful commentary???
so why ask how much hes feeding then ? you dont no thats its not overfeeding yet tho do you ? commentry ? it was my input ?
i dont feed during veg , i do not see the point if your soil has nutrients in....
plus i use rainwater which has micro nutrients in that money cant buy
this is a forum, he asked for input so he got some ?
your sarcasm is dry dude .....
 
pls don't argue on my thread im just trying to get help as far as im concerned i will take any advice i know alil about alil im just trying to get more ideas my books dont have this problem in it i don't believe its overfeeding it could be ozone or ph flux maybe micronutes as i looked on my bottles of food and only micros in it was iron and mg people have told me u only need those but i don't buy it all nutrients it takes in play an important role in the life cycle of the plant so i added some earth juice microblast to the regimen its organic so i don't think it will do anything especially since i cut the nutes that contained the two out when i added my roomate says underfeeding does this happen with underfeeding i don't see how a lockout can happen from that but im new at this so idk anyone...?
 

Snow Crash

Well-Known Member
I think it looks like some intermittent pH damage causing temporary lock out. Probably related to Phosphorus.

You seem to be feeding it all over the place. Sometimes this pH, sometimes that pH, sometimes you flush with another pH... Just find a level that works, 5.8ish, and make sure you get plenty of run off. The peat itself can be a little more acidic, and doesn't buffer well, so maybe 6.0 is a better level if you cannot top dress them with some dolomite to stabilize the pH table.

I think the purple of the stems is actually just stress related to the training. Nothing serious to worry about and I think the Silica should keep your plants strong.

Can you give us the ml per gallon of each nutrient you used in your last feeding?
I gave you an answer, and I asked a very direct question.

You still haven't answered me. Just list what you used and how much of each. Don't make me try to figure out what week you're in and what strength each nutrient is when you can just tell me.

Still though, your problem is mostly pH related lockout, I believe, google "pH spotting" and see if that looks familiar. If you have an Ozone generator I suppose it could be damage from that... but if you don't have one then it is 100% not that.
 
I gave you an answer, and I asked a very direct question.

You still haven't answered me. Just list what you used and how much of each. Don't make me try to figure out what week you're in and what strength each nutrient is when you can just tell me.

Still though, your problem is mostly pH related lockout, I believe, google "pH spotting" and see if that looks familiar. If you have an Ozone generator I suppose it could be damage from that... but if you don't have one then it is 100% not that.



my bad power plant 3 ml, blast off 5 ml, pure blend original grow formula 5ml,calmag plus 2.5 ml,aqua shield 5 ml,silica blast 3 ml per gallon at 6.3ph
 

Snow Crash

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Your nutrients are okay. It's probably just some old pH damage. So long as nothing has gotten worse over the last few days I think you probably have it resolved.
 
ok so i went there today my blue widow is alil worse but the blue cheese is looking alot better just transplanted both blue cheese was done first heres some pics
Photo0671.jpgPhoto0669.jpgPhoto0670.jpgPhoto0668.jpgPhoto0665.jpgPhoto0666.jpgPhoto0664.jpgPhoto0672.jpgPhoto0667.jpg1 clones of midnight kush "not sick just showing the room alil yellow from feeding of the leaves while in the rockwool"
2 problem leaf before death"
3 overall view of garden area in veg room
4 and 5 super silver haze
6 and 9 blue cheese
7 is blue widow
8 a violator kush in budding is the yellow at the top from the light or s def.
 

Snow Crash

Well-Known Member
Focus on the pH.

If you have the Power Flower you could probably run 2ml of the Power plant and 2ml of the Power Flower along with your nutrients. It seems like you're running a touch too much nitrogen and maybe a little short on Phosphorus.

When mix goes dry give it a good saturation with some run off of that solution and things should continue to improve. If your upper leaves begin to fade you'll need to flush that shit for sure, but until then just follow a steady course.
 
ok great thanks theres alot more n then p & k in this regimen the bloom booster is hydroplex a 0 10 6 npk on it another post was made with the same post i made in the beginning of this thread and ppl are saying its a ph prob a guyuses almost the same stuff i do said my soil ph is too high yesterday i added some ss mix no.4 to the top of my super silver haze and water with nutes at a ph of 6.28 and 667 ppm and the runnoff was 7.1 ph and 767 ppm should i flush with 6.3 water till it comes out that way if so im gonna start to do that before i transplant into the soil but also i heard that with peat your runnoff will be inaccurate is that true???
 
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