Shut it the fuck down

Fogdog

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Yup. Your saying that 3.28 million people in the US are narcissistic.
75% of them are men. So like 2.4million men are classed as "narcasistic"
What's your point?
Most people love themselves.
I love myself. That's why I don't take offence to all the shit that gets thrown at me on here.
That's why Scots in general are pretty hard to offend.
We're proud of who we are.
Are Americans ashamed of who they are?
You are right. Narcissism, or self love, is normal and healthy and everybody (practically everybody) is a bit so. She is hung up on the word as if it only means Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There is nothing that can be said to her to make that point stick. She keeps repeating it. I don't know why. Her avoidance of even answering posts where she is corrected on that subject is like you when you say doctors are why Scotland has a whopping high rate of drug overdoses and people pretty much say that's not true. Do people like you and her have NPD?
 

EvilScotsm@n

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Understood and agree that it certainly does undercut the argument - in the minds of people who do not feel or understand the dire need for change. I'm from same and all my family still lives there, so I get it. I think it's sad to think that way though.

Most people in rural areas do not see the world or have life experiences that will allow them to understand or open their minds to issues outside their community. I understand the "small town" mentality all too well and it drives me mad lol. Too simple minded. The world is complex. Let me be clear - I'm not knocking small towns. There is an amazing sense of community in most, and I cherish my visits home. Problem is, people who have lived their whole life in rural areas are considerably more closed minded and mostly uneducated as far as to all the different cultures and the reasoning behind the current unrest in America. They haven't been exposed to it, and simply don't understand the importance.
BOOM!
Pretty sure I've exchanged words with you somewhere along the lines mate but i couldn't agree more with that.
Very well put sir.
Very well indeed :)
 

Wattzzup

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So you're anti gun then?
Not many Americans are brave enough to point that out on an online forum.....
I personally don’t own a gun. But owning one responsibly is fine by me. All my friends have them I’m just not into them. Plus it’s the 2nd amendment right so who am I to judge
 

Queen2Green

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You did say that regarding coronavirus "destructive politicizing on both sides" and that is not true. It's not a matter of context or a double meaning. The meaning is very clear.

I keep hearing that kind of argument and it's simply not true. There is a huge difference between Democrats and Republicans right now. That argument is used to diminish those difference for political gain by the radical right and radical left. So, no, I can't just agree to disagree about that.
The reason behind agreeing to disagree is that we've come to a stale point. You feel one way (about the context in which I used those words) based on your life experiences & perspective, and I feel another. Due to the way you have interpreted my reply vs what I actually meant, agreeing to disagree seems to be the logical resolution because trying to explain didn't work. What else shall we do? Fight? Hurl insults? No thanks.

Simply put - I was referring to destruction when it comes to both sides and about how people feel and treat each other about the virus. It's been politicized in the worst ways and it's just another dividing factor in this country.

You know, some people just talk different, words have different meaning based on where you live. I'm pretty cultured throughout the US and I have friends of all shapes, sizes, colors, and political standings. So yeah, excuse my broad perspective that is both a blessing and a curse. I'm always attempting to play peacemaker or the voice of reason per se. Not to avoid or downplay issues, I simply think the world needs more peaceful communication to resolve our issues.

It's pretty frustrating and often overwhelming to have such a broad perspective that both sides bully, belittle, and debate me constantly. Its exhausting. I either get cussed out or told they would vote for me LOL. But it's also super important, so I keep communicating. Communication is key and without it none of us are ever gonna see this country we love get better. That's the one thing all Americans can agree on - we passionately love our country, to the point we will battle for it.

I want better. For my kids and grandkids. It would even be nice if we get to that point in my lifetime. Sadly, I am uncertain if that will happen. People do not communicate with respect, they communicate with anger. No one's ever change another's point of view for the better with disrespect. If anything that just makes them more set in their ways and beliefs.

There certainly is a huge difference between Democrats and Republicans, and in order to bridge that divide we are going to need to communicate.
 

Queen2Green

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I don't know what you mean by double standard though, I think maybe you are getting it from multiple angles and did not recognize my attempt to try to understand your position before you responded back.


Or people could just talk and gain a wider understanding of issues.

Unfotuntnatly Trump re-election campaign has turned politics into a triple state of being. 1. Pro-Trump 2. Pro-Democrats and 3. 'Both sides suck'.

The Russian militaries goal is to trick enough people into thinking whatever it is that they are likely to believe so much that they can then be nudged into either voting for Trump or being so disgusted with Democrats that they don't vote at all, which is a vote Trump needed not to be cast.

Where you are being tricked is in thinking that there are 'sides' when you are online getting attacked.
I definitely fall in category 3, but Bidens got my vote.. I want to vote JoJo but I'm educated enough to know she won't win and our only chance to get Trump out is by voting Joe.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I definitely fall in category 3, but Bidens got my vote.. I want to vote JoJo but I'm educated enough to know she won't win and our only chance to get Trump out is by voting Joe.
BTW Yer lawyer called, he has a pro bono update for you, he's a patriot and a liberal! ;)
Trump/Barr/Pompeo Strategy: Blame it all on China. Election Consequences if Congress Lets it Ride?

Trump's three-part re-election strategy is 1. blame China, 2. blame China and 3. blame China. Blame China for for everything from the coronavirus to any and all interference in the November elections. Trump, Barr and Pomepeo are all playing their roles in this political theater. Barr is the obvious ring-leader of this nefarious political strategy. Congress has a decision to make: take Barr on between now and November to thwart Barr's attempt to undermine our free and fair elections and/or blame Trump's November defeat on the Chinese. Or decline to take Barr on, give him carte blanche and hope he fails. If Barr succeeds, how will we feel about Congress's failure to act?
 
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schuylaar

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Yup. Your saying that 3.28 million people in the US are narcissistic.
75% of them are men. So like 2.4million men are classed as "narcasistic"
What's your point?
Most people love themselves.
I love myself. That's why I don't take offence to all the shit that gets thrown at me on here.
That's why Scots in general are pretty hard to offend.
We're proud of who we are.
Are Americans ashamed of who they are?
Narcissism is an emotional illness and one of which Trumpy* does have..that's why i said 'agree?' for the sake of argument..he's also exhibits psychopathic traits but i wanted to stick with something we can agree on..i'm sorry what was the question again?
 

Fogdog

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The reason behind agreeing to disagree is that we've come to a stale point. You feel one way (about the context in which I used those words) based on your life experiences & perspective, and I feel another. Due to the way you have interpreted my reply vs what I actually meant, agreeing to disagree seems to be the logical resolution because trying to explain didn't work. What else shall we do? Fight? Hurl insults? No thanks.

Simply put - I was referring to destruction when it comes to both sides and about how people feel and treat each other about the virus. It's been politicized in the worst ways and it's just another dividing factor in this country.

You know, some people just talk different, words have different meaning based on where you live. I'm pretty cultured throughout the US and I have friends of all shapes, sizes, colors, and political standings. So yeah, excuse my broad perspective that is both a blessing and a curse. I'm always attempting to play peacemaker or the voice of reason per se. Not to avoid or downplay issues, I simply think the world needs more peaceful communication to resolve our issues.

It's pretty frustrating and often overwhelming to have such a broad perspective that both sides bully, belittle, and debate me constantly. Its exhausting. I either get cussed out or told they would vote for me LOL. But it's also super important, so I keep communicating. Communication is key and without it none of us are ever gonna see this country we love get better. That's the one thing all Americans can agree on - we passionately love our country, to the point we will battle for it.

I want better. For my kids and grandkids. It would even be nice if we get to that point in my lifetime. Sadly, I am uncertain if that will happen. People do not communicate with respect, they communicate with anger. No one's ever change another's point of view for the better with disrespect. If anything that just makes them more set in their ways and beliefs.

There certainly is a huge difference between Democrats and Republicans, and in order to bridge that divide we are going to need to communicate.
I'm quoting your exact words. I'm not hurling insults, I'm simply pointing out that you did say "destructive politicizing on both sides". Way similar to when Trump said "good people on both sides". Both are false. This is not a grey area.

Tell you what. I'll just assume that all your words in your post are you admitting you were wrong and leave it at that. OK?

Can you take the word of former CDC directors?

We ran the CDC. No president ever politicized its science the way Trump has.


It is not unusual for CDC guidelines to be changed or amended during a clearance process that moves through multiple agencies and the White House. But it is extraordinary for guidelines to be undermined after their release. Through last week, and into Monday, the administration continued to cast public doubt on the agency’s recommendations and role in informing and guiding the nation’s pandemic response. On Sunday, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos characterized the CDC guidelines as an impediment to reopening schools quickly rather than what they are: the path to doing so safely. The only valid reason to change released guidelines is new information and new science — not politics.
 

Queen2Green

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12 guys, I'm on page 12. Lol. I'm getting to some of these posts like damn, I should have waited to reply, now I want to change my reply. But by the time I read it all I will forget what I first read and then I'll have to start over or not reply. Such is life with my brain. I'm determined to catch up tho lol.

I'm quoting your exact words. I'm not hurling insults, I'm simply pointing out that you did say "destructive politicizing on both sides". Way similar to when Trump said "good people on both sides". Both are false. This is not a grey area.

Tell you what. I'll just assume that all your words in your post are you admitting you were wrong and leave it at that. OK?

Can you take the word of former CDC directors?

We ran the CDC. No president ever politicized its science the way Trump has.

You're steadily making induendos towards me.. I don't get it. I didn't say you were hurling insults.

I know what I said and in numerous ways I've tried to explain to you that there is many meanings to the word "politicizing" and the context in which I meant it. Look it up, since you don't like all my words. There seems to be a localized language barrier between us that I'm finding ironically funny, because I understand and agree with most of everything you're saying - other than your perspective of what I said and meant, in a reply to someone else.

You can asSume anything you want. This is America. That doesn't make you right and me wrong.

Take the word of former CDC director on what?

Edit: nevermind I missed the link. I'll read it when I catch up...
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
I'm quoting your exact words. I'm not hurling insults, I'm simply pointing out that you did say "destructive politicizing on both sides". Way similar to when Trump said "good people on both sides". Both are false. This is not a grey area.

Tell you what. I'll just assume that all your words in your post are you admitting you were wrong and leave it at that. OK?

Can you take the word of former CDC directors?

We ran the CDC. No president ever politicized its science the way Trump has.


It is not unusual for CDC guidelines to be changed or amended during a clearance process that moves through multiple agencies and the White House. But it is extraordinary for guidelines to be undermined after their release. Through last week, and into Monday, the administration continued to cast public doubt on the agency’s recommendations and role in informing and guiding the nation’s pandemic response. On Sunday, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos characterized the CDC guidelines as an impediment to reopening schools quickly rather than what they are: the path to doing so safely. The only valid reason to change released guidelines is new information and new science — not politics.
She's already voting for Biden and supports public health. I'm just trying to get her to go down the blue side of the ballot right to dog catcher! :D
 

Fogdog

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12 guys, I'm on page 12. Lol. I'm getting to some of these posts like damn, I should have waited to reply, now I want to change my reply. But by the time I read it all I will forget what I first read and then I'll have to start over or not reply. Such is life with my brain. I'm determined to catch up tho lol.



You're steadily making induendos towards me.. I don't get it. I didn't say you were hurling insults.

I know what I said and in numerous ways I've tried to explain to you that there is many meanings to the word "politicizing" and the context in which I meant it. Look it up, since you don't like all my words. There seems to be a localized language barrier between us that I'm finding ironically funny, because I understand and agree with most of everything you're saying - other than your perspective of what I said and meant, in a reply to someone else.

You can asSume anything you want. This is America. That doesn't make you right and me wrong.

Take the word of former CDC director on what?

Edit: nevermind I missed the link. I'll read it when I catch up...

There has never been a case in modern history where any president politicized guidance by the CDC like Trump does.
 

EvilScotsm@n

Well-Known Member
You are right. Narcissism, or self love, is normal and healthy and everybody (practically everybody) is a bit so. She is hung up on the word as if it only means Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There is nothing that can be said to her to make that point stick. She keeps repeating it. I don't know why. Her avoidance of even answering posts where she is corrected on that subject is like you when you say doctors are why Scotland has a whopping high rate of drug overdoses and people pretty much say that's not true. Do people like you and her have NPD?
Don't hate me cos you aint me bro.
My govornment make sure that I earn an absolute minimal of £1430 a month just for being alive.
If I work 10 hours a week absolutely anywhere on any wage then I earn about 2k after tax.
I work 39 hours per week and I'm a 2week course away from kicking my wage upto at least £720 per week for those 39 hours.
If I work 50 hours it will be closer to £1200 due to the overtime rate.

My govornment pay 66% of all my work related expenses automatically into my bank and without question.
Road tax, car repairs, transport from the park & ride, my phone bill, internet bill, washing powder, a new washing machine every 3 years, boxes full of safety specs, cut5 gloves, boots, socks, boxers, trousers, t shirts, overalls, welly boots, ear defenders, dust masks of any price. My full face respirator was £130 without the filters.
They ask me every month to confirm certain numbers so they can re-evaluate and make sure they're paying me as much as they possibly can.

They've been like this for the last 3-4 years mate.
What does your govornment do for you ???????????????
 

schuylaar

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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Don't hate me cos you aint me bro.
My govornment make sure that I earn an absolute minimal of £1430 a month just for being alive.
If I work 10 hours a week absolutely anywhere on any wage then I earn about 2k after tax.
I work 39 hours per week and I'm a 2week course away from kicking my wage upto at least £720 per week for those 39 hours.
If I work 50 hours it will be closer to £1200 due to the overtime rate.

My govornment pay 66% of all my work related expenses automatically into my bank and without question.
Road tax, car repairs, transport from the park & ride, my phone bill, internet bill, washing powder, a new washing machine every 3 years, boxes full of safety specs, cut5 gloves, boots, socks, boxers, trousers, t shirts, overalls, welly boots, ear defenders, dust masks of any price. My full face respirator was £130 without the filters.
They ask me every month to confirm certain numbers so they can re-evaluate and make sure they're paying me as much as they possibly can.

They've been like this for the last 3-4 years mate.
What does your govornment do for you ???????????????


gloatery.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Don't hate me cos you aint me bro.
My govornment make sure that I earn an absolute minimal of £1430 a month just for being alive.
If I work 10 hours a week absolutely anywhere on any wage then I earn about 2k after tax.
I work 39 hours per week and I'm a 2week course away from kicking my wage upto at least £720 per week for those 39 hours.
If I work 50 hours it will be closer to £1200 due to the overtime rate.

My govornment pay 66% of all my work related expenses automatically into my bank and without question.
Road tax, car repairs, transport from the park & ride, my phone bill, internet bill, washing powder, a new washing machine every 3 years, boxes full of safety specs, cut5 gloves, boots, socks, boxers, trousers, t shirts, overalls, welly boots, ear defenders, dust masks of any price. My full face respirator was £130 without the filters.
They ask me every month to confirm certain numbers so they can re-evaluate and make sure they're paying me as much as they possibly can.

They've been like this for the last 3-4 years mate.
What does your govornment do for you ???????????????
I work in the private sector and don't have to take low paying jobs like yours.
 

Herb & Suds

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I definitely fall in category 3, but Bidens got my vote.. I want to vote JoJo but I'm educated enough to know she won't win and our only chance to get Trump out is by voting Joe.
It the best an American can do for the time being
Republicans who have let Trumpism take hold must pay a price
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Beau here lives in Florida, is a keen observer and no dummy.
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Let's talk about 8 minutes in Florida....
 

Queen2Green

Well-Known Member

There has never been a case in modern history where any president politicized guidance by the CDC like Trump does.
I wholeheartedly agree. FB is my typical political debating ring. Lol. I am labeled a "libtard" all the time but then I get liberals and Democrats creeping on my page to debate my open minded perspectives, typically on gun or hunting rights. I do not believe everything is black or white per se, there is a ton of grey area in many aspects of life. Guns are good but Ak 47s are not needed for example. Hunting for food is ok but hunting exotic animals for sport is not, in my opinion. Neither is animal testing. With these split views, I often find myself in the middle of debates. But when it comes to liberty or justice or saving our democracy, best believe I am all in on team Democrat. I just don't know how to identify, other than independent, due to the way I've been treated my ENTIRE life for my views. Which I feel are pretty open minded so I don't understand it. The saying - If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything. Does that mean I have to stand for Republicans or Democrats? I don't think so. Why can't I stand for a better way? I haven't forgotten, like many, that Democrats were the original slave owners and that shit's personal to me. There's some inconvenient truths out there that people like to overlook.

Let me give you some context: I grew up small town ranch (99% white) middle of nowhere in a Republican state with Catholic Republican influence. Church shoved down my throat, die hard Republicans. I am the black sheep. I've lived on my own since 15, married a black man at 21, and raised 2 mixed children with him. These are the first protests I haven't been involved due to covid and cancer. I passionately believe in equality, free speech, gun rights, and am pro choice. I'm not sure how I feel about church anymore other than it should stay separate from state. I like to hunt and grow shit. I support BLM and LGBT. I've lived all over the US & had many interesting jobs, which allowed me to meet people from all political standings in different cultures with different perspectives. Therefore I have wide understanding of many views. Whether I agree or not is mostly irrelevant unless their views are harmful. I detest trump, he's a lying, narcissistic imbecile.


She's already voting for Biden and supports public health. I'm just trying to get her to go down the blue side of the ballot right to dog catcher! :D
Lol no worries - I'm aligned with the blue side.
 
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