I just wanted to point out that there are people who grow successfully with cfls. Dr. BudGreenGenes over at icmag and his wife are prime examples. To think that a newbie to growing is going to be able to throw some seeds in soil and put it under cfls and do well is not an expectation that is fairly leveled. Most people who do cfls are new to growing or are doing it for personal consumption and security. Cfl's suit their cause perfectly. But again, people with their hid love to beat a dead horse no? If it works for you, good, if it doesn't okay, bottom line, don't shit all over people who choose to try cfls. It is their choice and if they don't like it they can always move up to hid when they have the chance. I just don't understand people who come in and start shit in the cfl forum. Seems a little like this no?