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dochickory

dochickory

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PetFlora said:
As do I my friend. As do I
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You may know I am using HR Powder from your recomendation, I am sure happy with the results so far, should I supplement it with anything during the budding phase? I hate to increase the amount I'm using since it would increase Nitrogen too. I haven't been able to buy a ec or ph meter yet, still using the hard for me to judge drops. I brought a sample of my latest nute solution to the one and only garden store here, and it tested @ 580 ppm w/ph at 6.5 ugh, I thought I had ph around 5.8-6.0, so I could be way off with each batch. The new bud sites are as good as any i've seen for 25 days of 12/12. Maybe I should leave it alone. Thanks again for your input. One more thing, I wouldn't be trimming much at all, but for my limited space.
 

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Ebb and Grow plus DM Zone @ 3ml/gal.

DM recently changed the formula for Zone which worried me at first but after using it for a while I'm convinced that it's improved.
 

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PetFlora

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Glad to be of service.

Your girls look super happy

When you increase ppms you will lower pH. This grow I jumped from all previous where I maxed at ~ 1000ppm. This time I pushed it to ~ 1300 with virtually no leaf tip burn. NOW, that could be because of the magnets and/or my DIY high energy flooming rez.

Don't worry about the increased N, it's in balance with the PK, but not according to old (misguided) standards, although it would depend on what type of N is used

dochickory said:
You may know I am using HR Powder from your recomendation, I am sure happy with the results so far, should I supplement it with anything during the budding phase? I hate to increase the amount I'm using since it would increase Nitrogen too. I haven't been able to buy a ec or ph meter yet, still using the hard for me to judge drops. I brought a sample of my latest nute solution to the one and only garden store here, and it tested @ 580 ppm w/ph at 6.5 ugh, I thought I had ph around 5.8-6.0, so I could be way off with each batch. The new bud sites are as good as any i've seen for 25 days of 12/12. Maybe I should leave it alone. Thanks again for your input. One more thing, I wouldn't be trimming much at all, but for my limited space.
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dochickory

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PetFlora, I Thank You, Wow 1300ppm, I will step up my solution I guess it's time to use the cc and get a ec/ph meter, I really feel with a bigger space I would have a great thing going on, as I previously posted my problems have been my own constraints.
and lack of experience
 
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oxanaca

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dochickory said:
You may know I am using HR Powder from your recomendation, I am sure happy with the results so far, should I supplement it with anything during the budding phase? I hate to increase the amount I'm using since it would increase Nitrogen too. I haven't been able to buy a ec or ph meter yet, still using the hard for me to judge drops. I brought a sample of my latest nute solution to the one and only garden store here, and it tested @ 580 ppm w/ph at 6.5 ugh, I thought I had ph around 5.8-6.0, so I could be way off with each batch. The new bud sites are as good as any i've seen for 25 days of 12/12. Maybe I should leave it alone. Thanks again for your input. One more thing, I wouldn't be trimming much at all, but for my limited space.
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i used the HR for a while too, thanks to petflora, it provided some pretty nice results. but the price on that stuff is exorbitant, at $27 for a pound shipped.
now i make my own stock solutions from bulk greenhouse chemicals such as calcium nitrate, and iron dpta. and the price is down to an average of $1.27 per pound. :)

nothing beats the flexibility of being able to change your formula, and not having to dissolve a powder each time you fill up a resevoir.
 
dochickory

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https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/748465-show-me-your-roots.html, at $27 for a pound shipped.
now i make my own stock solutions from bulk greenhouse chemicals such as calcium nitrate, and iron dpta. and the price is down to an average of $1.27 per pound. :)

nothing beats the flexibility of being able to change your formula, and not having to dissolve a powder each time you fill up a resevoir.[/QUOTE]

With a little more experience I will look into that, as i plan to install an hpa system in a much bigger project, Thanks OX
 
PetFlora

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When going bigger you can buy HR in bulk.

Keep in mind all the added micronutirents that do not appear on the label
 
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oxanaca

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PetFlora said:
When going bigger you can buy HR in bulk.

Keep in mind all the added micronutirents that do not appear on the label
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unfortunate the price only comes down a little. if you buy 25# the price is $420 not including any shipping. thats $16.8 per # with no shipping.
i spend less than this on 300# of individual technical grade greenhouse salts, that dissolve completely.
give me some time and ill post how to copy their fomula.

i also have to disagree with all the micros not being listed on the label, as i just checked their guaranteed analysis on their site.
 
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oxanaca

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HOLY DISHONESTY BATMAN


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so i just wasted alot of time trying to copy their formula off an old plastic container i bought a year ago. turns out they were lying on their guaranteed analysis at the time and were forced to change it later

its mathmatically impossible to have more magnesium than sulfur using magnesium sulfate as your sole magnesium source. as MgSO4 contains more S than mg
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heres their true guaranteed analysis (hopefully).
http://www.hydroponic-research.com/our-products/
ill post the formula before i go to bed, then ill promise to only talk about roots on here if you want. unfortuanatly mine all all buried in coco/hydroton coco/perlite
 
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dochickory

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oxanaca said:
HOLY DISHONESTY BATMAN


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so i just wasted alot of time trying to copy their formula off an old plastic container i bought a year ago. turns out they were lying on their guaranteed analysis at the time and were forced to change it later

its mathmatically impossible to have more magnesium than sulfur using magnesium sulfate as your sole magnesium source. as MgSO4 contains more S than mg
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heres their true guaranteed analysis (hopefully).
http://www.hydroponic-research.com/our-products/
ill post the formula before i go to bed, then ill promise to only talk about roots on here if you want. unfortuanatly mine all all buried in coco/hydroton coco/perlite
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Ox post away, without the right nutes there wouldn't be any roots, I'm anxious to see your formula. Thanks! I really thank PetFlora for his suggestion which led me to HR Powder, and where it may lead us. The guy at the local grow shop met the guys from HR awhile ago when they were starting out I guess. I'm seriously thinking of a grow shop specializing in HPA, and everything related to it. I think it won't be long before we will be able to have retail MJ grow shops! I might as well get started!
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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I've been using HR for 2+ years. Still have all my empty jars including the sample. All labels have proper Mg: S ratios

FYI, there are more micro-nutes in the formulas than on the label + fulvic acid

I had been maxing at 1000ppm in mid-flower, then backing down.

This time I pushed to ~ 1300 with minimal tip burn, but no significant increase in bud size, so probably < 1000ppm is all one needs, and that for maybe 2 weeks max.

Personally, I think it's a bargain, but I am a small personal use grower
 
dochickory

dochickory

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PetFlora said:
I've been using HR for 2+ years. Still have all my empty jars including the sample. All labels have proper Mg: S ratios

FYI, there are more micro-nutes in the formulas than on the label + fulvic acid

I had been maxing at 1000ppm in mid-flower, then backing down.

This time I pushed to ~ 1300 with minimal tip burn, but no significant increase in bud size, so probably < 1000ppm is all one needs, and that for maybe 2 weeks max.

Personally, I think it's a bargain, but I am a small personal use grower
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I don't understand the two weeks max???? I'm using 4g/gallon my resevoir is only 4 gallons small beta prototype system, Thanks again keep up the good work, I won't even ask about the magnets, maybe just for DWC huh?

oops btw I added 2 tablespoons molasses to4 gal with the 16g HR really seems like the calyxes perked up but maybe they are anyway! The foam from the bubbles makes it frothy, and some in my filters too! mixed the next batch without, I'll experiment with sweet when I have extra plants to spare!

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
 
PetFlora

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Think about seedlings burning up when given too high ppm. PPMs are only increased as leaf/root structure develop to handle more food.

PPMs are increased until buds are set (! 2 weeks), at which point ppms are tapered back down to the eventual flush. Tip burn is one way to monitor when ppms are exceeding plants ability to use without burning up. HR website has a schedule which shows recommended weekly amounts
 
dochickory

dochickory

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PetFlora said:
Think about seedlings burning up when given too high ppm. PPMs are only increased as leaf/root structure develop to handle more food.

PPMs are increased until buds are set (! 2 weeks), at which point ppms are tapered back down to the eventual flush. Tip burn is one way to monitor when ppms are exceeding plants ability to use without burning up. HR website has a schedule which shows recommended weekly amounts
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You are right on PetFlora I am experiencing as I peck (on my i-phone which I hate) but sure appreciate all your help here'a pic of hb2 so far 4-6 weeks to go, Iam going weaker on HR I just ordered a HM tds meter!
 

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TDS meter hasn't arrived yet, but I have reduced the nute solution and seems like I may have it under control, however anyone using HR in Hydroponics....take notice, like mentioned on HR's site you really do have to maintain Ph levels carefully. I trimmed hb's roots away from the nozzles again, I'll post pics a little later! keep it up!
 
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Doc, HRs website has a page on concentrations using gram weights, but for some dilutions, you need a gram scale that reads in hundredth's of a gram, which I do not have.

dochickory said:
TDS meter hasn't arrived yet, but I have reduced the nute solution and seems like I may have it under control, however anyone using HR in Hydroponics....take notice, like mentioned on HR's site you really do have to maintain Ph levels carefully. I trimmed hb's roots away from the nozzles again, I'll post pics a little later! keep it up!
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PetFlora

PetFlora

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580ppms not good at all! Guaranteed to cause lock out. Read my posts today in my thread for insight

dochickory said:
You may know I am using HR Powder from your recomendation, I am sure happy with the results so far, should I supplement it with anything during the budding phase? I hate to increase the amount I'm using since it would increase Nitrogen too. I haven't been able to buy a ec or ph meter yet, still using the hard for me to judge drops. I brought a sample of my latest nute solution to the one and only garden store here, and it tested @ 580 ppm w/ph at 6.5 ugh, I thought I had ph around 5.8-6.0, so I could be way off with each batch. The new bud sites are as good as any i've seen for 25 days of 12/12. Maybe I should leave it alone. Thanks again for your input. One more thing, I wouldn't be trimming much at all, but for my limited space.
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