Should I worry? Please Help

Ok so I'm wondering if the yellowing of the fan leaves are from a deficiency or normal part of aging.

So I planted the 2 outside ones (white rhino right, Caramelicious left) July 23rd, and the one in the middle (blueberry Kush) I planted on July 28th. 2 gallon pots (thought they were 3, lol). Coco Coir medium, 341 watts from 2 led lights. The temps I admit have been difficult for me to control as I live in a 2bd apartment with one wall unit AC in the living room to cool the entire apartment. I have a AC Infinity Cloud T4 to help with temp and humidity. Was manageable until I flipped them and switched on the bloom with the veg.
During Veg period I was able to keep the temps around 85 to 88 max day time and since flip, it gets up to 90 to 92 at times. I don't know how much CO2 they are getting, I did however purchase a XL exhale bag because I heard they needed it. Hmmmm what else, oh nutes....I feed them the general hydroponics floramicro 3 part series, follow the instructions except I use maybe a quarter of what they recommend, been doing that from the beginning and never had any real issues with any deficiencies. I keep the PH between 6.3 and 6.7, and also add liquid vermicelli compost in the mix. I water them when they feel extra light when I lift them, usually every 2 to 3 days. I water until the first signs of run off.

It may be important to mention that I thought all 3 were autoflowers, turns out only the one in the middle (Blueberry Kush) is the auto. I didn't realize it until week 7. I noticed the blueberry was growing white hairs like crazy, and the other two had none, only a single pistol sticking out from the node but no white hairs, when they had a 5 day headstart, so it was then that I researched to find why which led me to check my order and found the were regular seeds (rookie mistake I didn't know nothing about nothing back 76 days ago except I wanted to grow) So I flipped the lights from 18/6 to 12/12 I figured shouldn't harm the auto it was already flowering.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give you grow legends as much info as possible. It's my first run and I've invested 76 days into these babies and have to admit I'm a bit nervous. As of yesterday (Wednesday) they are in week 11 (BBK really 10 and 2 days)week 4 since I flipped the light schedule to 12/12.

So do they look like they are deficient? Burnt? Should I flush them? Or is this just a normal part of the growth cycle as the plant uses the energy from the leaves to grow the buds? Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advanced! I'm trying to be like y'all some day
 

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Johiem

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Welcome @MrGrowthSpurt, I'm no where near a legend, but i do feel as though I can help a bit.
Quick side question where'd you get your caramelicious?
Those blurple lights hurt the eyes, go with the natural or white light for your pics, please.
You said 4 weeks from the flip, due to transition time you are actually 2-2.5 weeks into flower for your photo period girls.

Your little auto? No clue, let her roll. You are doing yourself a disservice by cutting her to 12&12 but with the other two needing the extended dark hours, I get it. She will still produce just not as good or as much. Be aware, the flowering light schedule will effect your little ones in the corner.

As far as the yellowing, I would lean toward a nitrogen deficiency. They are definitely translocating nitrogen, I Would continue with nitrogen for at least another 2 weeks.

Aside from the exhale bag and a bigger light I'm fairly similar in my grow style this round. Here are my caramelicious autos is why I asked
 

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Redeyes82

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Ok so I'm wondering if the yellowing of the fan leaves are from a deficiency or normal part of aging.

So I planted the 2 outside ones (white rhino right, Caramelicious left) July 23rd, and the one in the middle (blueberry Kush) I planted on July 28th. 2 gallon pots (thought they were 3, lol). Coco Coir medium, 341 watts from 2 led lights. The temps I admit have been difficult for me to control as I live in a 2bd apartment with one wall unit AC in the living room to cool the entire apartment. I have a AC Infinity Cloud T4 to help with temp and humidity. Was manageable until I flipped them and switched on the bloom with the veg.
During Veg period I was able to keep the temps around 85 to 88 max day time and since flip, it gets up to 90 to 92 at times. I don't know how much CO2 they are getting, I did however purchase a XL exhale bag because I heard they needed it. Hmmmm what else, oh nutes....I feed them the general hydroponics floramicro 3 part series, follow the instructions except I use maybe a quarter of what they recommend, been doing that from the beginning and never had any real issues with any deficiencies. I keep the PH between 6.3 and 6.7, and also add liquid vermicelli compost in the mix. I water them when they feel extra light when I lift them, usually every 2 to 3 days. I water until the first signs of run off.

It may be important to mention that I thought all 3 were autoflowers, turns out only the one in the middle (Blueberry Kush) is the auto. I didn't realize it until week 7. I noticed the blueberry was growing white hairs like crazy, and the other two had none, only a single pistol sticking out from the node but no white hairs, when they had a 5 day headstart, so it was then that I researched to find why which led me to check my order and found the were regular seeds (rookie mistake I didn't know nothing about nothing back 76 days ago except I wanted to grow) So I flipped the lights from 18/6 to 12/12 I figured shouldn't harm the auto it was already flowering.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give you grow legends as much info as possible. It's my first run and I've invested 76 days into these babies and have to admit I'm a bit nervous. As of yesterday (Wednesday) they are in week 11 (BBK really 10 and 2 days)week 4 since I flipped the light schedule to 12/12.

So do they look like they are deficient? Burnt? Should I flush them? Or is this just a normal part of the growth cycle as the plant uses the energy from the leaves to grow the buds? Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advanced! I'm trying to be like y'all some day
This is fairly common at this stage of flowering as a lot of guys forget that the plants still need a good amount of nitrogen until mid flower. Simple nitrogen deficiency you have there. Give them an N bump. I feed veg nutes for first three weeks of flower before using an even npk for a few weeks. I’ll then go with the typical bloom npk
 

LJ00

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same as they said id give a little nitrogen to support what your plant is loosing, but the middle girl looks a little hungry for magnesium, that could be Ph related.

Also training plants will help you get higher quality yields, your main cola on those are gonna be fat as a mf and potent but all the low-hanging sights don't get much energy. a single round of topping one to two nodes down from the main leaf head once they're in healthy veg goes a really long way. good luck with the rest of the grow man!
 
Welcome @MrGrowthSpurt, I'm no where near a legend, but i do feel as though I can help a bit.
Quick side question where'd you get your caramelicious?
Those blurple lights hurt the eyes, go with the natural or white light for your pics, please.
You said 4 weeks from the flip, due to transition time you are actually 2-2.5 weeks into flower for your photo period girls.

Your little auto? No clue, let her roll. You are doing yourself a disservice by cutting her to 12&12 but with the other two needing the extended dark hours, I get it. She will still produce just not as good or as much. Be aware, the flowering light schedule will effect your little ones in the corner.

As far as the yellowing, I would lean toward a nitrogen deficiency. They are definitely translocating nitrogen, I Would continue with nitrogen for at least another 2 weeks.

Aside from the exhale bag and a bigger light I'm fairly similar in my grow style this round. Here are my caramelicious autos is why I asked
Thanks for the reply, I got my Caramelicious Feminized seed from MSNL seeds, they sent me 2 free with my order. I was afraid to try LST on any of these because they were my first grow and I kind of just wanted to observe and study them in their natural form. Based on all the comments I will up the nitrogen in the mix when I feed them today. I am doing my rookie version of LST on the other Caramelicious seed, here's what she is looking like so far, not a good picture, I know and I wish I had of bent it the other way, but you live and you learn. Thanks again for taking your time to respond. Oh I needed room in my other tent for new seedlings, so I had to sacrifice those 2 little ones you see and put them in the big tent they only vegged for about 3 weeks, before being flipped. It's a great learning experience for me as well.
 

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same as they said id give a little nitrogen to support what your plant is loosing, but the middle girl looks a little hungry for magnesium, that could be Ph related.

Also training plants will help you get higher quality yields, your main cola on those are gonna be fat as a mf and potent but all the low-hanging sights don't get much energy. a single round of topping one to two nodes down from the main leaf head once they're in healthy veg goes a really long way. good luck with the rest of the grow man!
Thanks for the reply, I have 2 pairs of new seedlings I am going to try LST on all of them and try topping 2.
 
same as they said id give a little nitrogen to support what your plant is loosing, but the middle girl looks a little hungry for magnesium, that could be Ph related.

Also training plants will help you get higher quality yields, your main cola on those are gonna be fat as a mf and potent but all the low-hanging sights don't get much energy. a single round of topping one to two nodes down from the main leaf head once they're in healthy veg goes a really long way. good luck with the rest of the grow man!
Thanks bro, I appreciate you taking your time to respond. I am trying the topping technique on some new seedlings I started about a week ago once they are healthy and strong enough
 

whitebb2727

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I don't think it's nitrogen. That usually starts bottom up.

What and how much have you fed them?

The temps are part of the curling issue.

Get some deeper trays under the pots. It's hard to water like that without dry spots. Not sure about Coco but certain soils and peat will dry and become hydrophobic and won't take water.

I would start with a flush. You won't flush the plants just leech the salt from the pots. Too much salt will cause lockouts of nutrients. From there I would get deeper trays to hold a bit more water. After that feed a balanced nutrient. Then feed, water, feed, water, feed, etc.

It looks to me chronic under watering with a bit of salt buildup.
 

LJ00

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I don't think it's nitrogen. That usually starts bottom up.

What and how much have you fed them?

The temps are part of the curling issue.

Get some deeper trays under the pots. It's hard to water like that without dry spots. Not sure about Coco but certain soils and peat will dry and become hydrophobic and won't take water.

I would start with a flush. You won't flush the plants just leech the salt from the pots. Too much salt will cause lockouts of nutrients. From there I would get deeper trays to hold a bit more water. After that feed a balanced nutrient. Then feed, water, feed, water, feed, etc.

It looks to me chronic under watering with a bit of salt buildup.
Salt burns normally burn the middle of the leafs first, this looks like normal nitrogen transfer on the plant on the left, a little mg issue on the middle and the right is doing fine. He is in coco so he should be watering everyday.

And this is a plant i topped once when it was over a ft with 5-7 nodes and happy. I recommend not doing it more then once otherwise you split up energy, and if you do it too early you can really stunt a plant.
 

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Johiem

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I've seen the whole "forced flowering" thing, honestly, it's not very impressive. They stay small and don't yield very well. Do you remember the code on the baggie for your caramelicious? Mine was "car-af" which says she was an auto. These are my 3rd&4th times running "Cara". I don't remember how long it took for her to flower the first time but the second took 45 days and a shift from 20&4 to 18&6. This time both flowered around day 30 under an 18&6 schedule. She was only frosty on the first one I grew and I didn't know about flipping and selfing till she was about 2 weeks from harvest so I didn't get the chance with her but #2's offspring seem fairly similar.
 

whitebb2727

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Salt burns normally burn the middle of the leafs first, this looks like normal nitrogen transfer on the plant on the left, a little mg issue on the middle and the right is doing fine. He is in coco so he should be watering everyday.

And this is a plant i topped once when it was over a ft with 5-7 nodes and happy. I recommend not doing it more then once otherwise you split up energy, and if you do it too early you can really stunt a plant.
I don't think it's burn. It's lockout from salt buildup.

The slight red color along with the yellow hints at high bloom nutrients.
 

whitebb2727

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I know it's been a long time since I spent time in the help sections. I used to do it all the time. I have some grow journals showing my failures and successes. Thought I would show a pic just for reference. It's hard to weed through all the advice sometimes. DSC00587.JPGDSC00598.JPG
 
You need to learn how to feed coco as what you are doing now isn't it. Should be feeding daily not when the pot is light.
Wait what, I'm supposed to be watering it daily? I did that in the beginning and they started to develope algae on the surface of the soil. Everywhere I checked suggested I was over watering and I should atleast wait until the mix is nearly completely dry, and suggested the lift method.
So I'm supposed to be feeding them everyday? I water until the first signs run-off that seems a bit excessive to me, so you must mean less water but daily, but how much water is enough/too much?

Right now it appears my buds will be the booty ass really marshmellowie air filled fluffy buds instead of tight dense ones, smh.....you live and you learn.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!
 

twentyeight.threefive

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Wait what, I'm supposed to be watering it daily? I did that in the beginning and they started to develope algae on the surface of the soil. Everywhere I checked suggested I was over watering and I should atleast wait until the mix is nearly completely dry, and suggested the lift method.
So I'm supposed to be feeding them everyday? I water until the first signs run-off that seems a bit excessive to me, so you must mean less water but daily, but how much water is enough/too much?

Right now it appears my buds will be the booty ass really marshmellowie air filled fluffy buds instead of tight dense ones, smh.....you live and you learn.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!
Yes. Should be feed at least daily to runoff.

Check out cocoforcannabis.com for more info on feeding.
 

LJ00

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Wait what, I'm supposed to be watering it daily? I did that in the beginning and they started to develope algae on the surface of the soil. Everywhere I checked suggested I was over watering and I should atleast wait until the mix is nearly completely dry, and suggested the lift method.
So I'm supposed to be feeding them everyday? I water until the first signs run-off that seems a bit excessive to me, so you must mean less water but daily, but how much water is enough/too much?

Right now it appears my buds will be the booty ass really marshmellowie air filled fluffy buds instead of tight dense ones, smh.....you live and you learn.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!
Yes watering too Much will bring algae, but coco is gonna wanna a nice flush daily. And the structure of buds is normally strain dependent I have 2 strains flowering at the same time in my tent with completely different structures, one is really airy one is stupid dense and they’re both 60% indica/40% sativa
 
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