Should i trim leaves? Day 28 since the flip
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dtl420
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The leaves are very important in diagnosing deficiencies and diseases in the plant. Many argue that trimming leaves causes the plant to focus more on bud growth, but it's quite the contrary.. Every bit of the light, water, co2, and minerals the plant can convert into energy and biomass is crucial to bud growth. Nutrients are drawn to your plant by water evaporating and being converted to sugars in the leaves. While water dissipates from the leaves' surface water and water soluble minerals move on from the medium through the roots (bulk flow). Thus the more leaf, the more water /nutrient movement, the more biomass generation from the plant.
Tucking leaves to allow light to the bud sites is good, but absolutely avoid removing any green leaves.
Tucking leaves to allow light to the bud sites is good, but absolutely avoid removing any green leaves.
Gingergrow
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Haha, I will just take off the bottom ones that get yellow
Jimdamick
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Your point about being able to diagnose problems through the leaves is a major problem for those that choose to defoliate.
The leaves are like tea leaves in the bottom of a cup where a gypsy will read them and tell you how long you are going to live. Same for a pot plant. Without leaves, you will never be able to tell what is wrong with your plant. Period. So, the plant won't look like it was trimmed by Edward Scissorhands, but who gives a shit, as long as it is healthy. Don't cut leaves.
chchhazed
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With the amount of differing opinions on defoliation , some for , most against , you have the perfect oportunity to test the theory for yourself, it looks like you have 3 or 4 plants there .... take the leaves of one and leave the others alone... finish your grow off... calculate the difference in dry weight between the two different techniques and then you can make the decision for yourself... given the annymosity most have towards defoliation , you are rather brave to even suggest taking any healthy leaves off . At the end of the day , you and only you can decide weather it works for you or not ... Nice looking plants by the way ...
Poontanger
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MO841, your onto it, ................if it turns grey ,.......out it................if it turns yellow ( a leaf) out it
Afgan King
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I'm not even gonna get into this shits laughable because y'all don't have down the proper dates to do it and how to do it. It's not a full defoliated just removal of large water leaves remove them and the growth now getting light will jump. people will have varying opinions due to not doing proper technique which is dependent on sativa indica and hybrid. Sativa's and hybrids you hit harder they love it and Indica's don't take too much just what's blocking light to lower bud growth. I mean if leaves are the power central as eveyone claims then how I pull weight cuz they get stripped of all water leaves from the third node down and lollipopped 12"-14" from top of pot. Gotta know what you're doing
MisterBouncyBounce
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removing leaves is a silly idea. i suspect that's been started by commercial interests wanting to sell people more crap to fix the issues leaf pruning will cause. the more companies and "gurus" can muck things up the more useless crap they can sell people on and the more they can pretend to be experts.
that 3lb a light guy selling a book for $500 saying strip off all the fan leaves and then feed them his nutes should have the fuck beat out of him.
dtl420 and others have given you the lowdown, plus not only is it easier to diagnose issues but the fan leaves will mitigate any problem that might occur, they act as a buffer and often take the bulk of the hit from most problems first, which allows a much better chance to recover.
that 3lb a light guy selling a book for $500 saying strip off all the fan leaves and then feed them his nutes should have the fuck beat out of him.
dtl420 and others have given you the lowdown, plus not only is it easier to diagnose issues but the fan leaves will mitigate any problem that might occur, they act as a buffer and often take the bulk of the hit from most problems first, which allows a much better chance to recover.
Grojak
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Gotta agree with most of this, those saying don't do it it will blah blah blah have obviously never done, lots of experts around here with 1 or 2 grows under their belts. Do you cut all the leaf no that'd be stupid, but defoliation to allow light to lower buds is a plus. After stretch I usually remove those unwanted leafs lower hanging fan leafs and the big suckers blocking light, no problems. I too used to not remove any leafs but experience and practice have taught me to do it. OP believe what you want cause no one will agree on this.
edit: Everyone keeps harping on how fan leafs will tell you whats going on, this is true and neither I or AK have said remove all fan leafs, trust me if you did as I dot there are plenty of fan leafs left to diagnose problems.
MisterBouncyBounce
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with all due respect,
"I mean if leaves are the power central as eveyone claims then how I pull weight cuz they get stripped of all water leaves from the third node down and lollipopped 12"-14" from top of pot."
means nothing. how do we know what your weight would be if you didn't strip the leaves? how do we even know what the term "weight" means anyhow?
i suspect you're "not even going to get into it" because there isn't much you can say in defense of your position.
doesn't stripping leaves so they don't block light mean leaves were absorbing light, hence engaging in photosynthesis? when the leaves are gone so more light can penetrate, what then uses that light? leaves intercepting light is the whole point of photosynthesis. more leaves, less wasted light. less leaves and light passes right on by.
a leaf here or there, maybe. general rule is never remove a leaf that doesn't come off with a just a gentle tug.
i would go by what farmers of vegetable and fruit crops do, if they strip leaves from plants to increase yields then i'd consider their reasoning, if farmers aren't doing it then there is a reason. everyone wants to increase yields, not just pot growers. and cannabis is not a unique plant onto it's own.
chchhazed
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Bahaaaa fukn shit and here we go yet again another defoliation battle , fuks sake what's the fukn point in arguing about it any more , some people fukn do it and like doin it and some people hate it , who the fuk cares at the end of the day , do whatever works for you during your grow and let others do the same , fukin arguing about it for 86 pages ain't gonna change someone else's opinion on it , try it ... See how it goes and fuckin make up ya own mind and let others do the same , blaah blah defoliation blah ...
Grojak
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Do you seek attention you're not getting at home? No ones arguing (yet) and you're petty attempt to get something going just makes you look dumb as "fuk", yes I spelt it in a way your would understand since proper spelling seems to be just out of your reach. Troll on with your bad self.
Afgan King
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Ya cuz no way it could be good way to get light penetration to all levels of the plant. And @ttystikk See's me all the time and will vouch I don't lie I do this a lot and have for a decade now this year alone I have over 10k plants grown commercially and I personally take care of my own 10 lights.....but ya go on about what I don't obviously no way I could know something after a decade of doing it. And to say it's not a different type of plant is pretty ignorant cuz besides from the echinacea it's the only plant with cannabinoids and they are over 100 and counting last time....we have cannabinoid receptors for a reason. This plant is different
Afgan King
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Btw what do you put per light by weight I mean we average 2 a light running numerous strains. You can keep being ignorant and ill keep pulling more weight than you with ease. Please sit down you're talking to a long time vet of growing cannabis. No way a cash cropper and ex commercial grow manager could know anything about this plant only have 50+ cuts and breeding new ones monthly.
Afgan King
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Well ya cuz people like him wanna try and talk shit but I bet i have taken more clones in the past 6 months than he's even seen plants in his life. I mean only took 256 every 9 days....for 9 months....I'm giving the other side of the spectrum and he's the one wanting to make this an argument.
Afgan King
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Btw it's done commercially because when you have 180 plants crammed into a room with 45 lights and they are crammed and slam do you
A. Not want good air movement and penetration leading to a healthier plant over all and an easier one to spray and deal with in general
B. Take it off to ensure light gets to every bud site and allow more air movement and creating a healthier environment. ALSO makes it easier to get thru the room when wall to wall and easier to spray. But I mean you'd have to of grown thousand plants commercially to know that defoliation in flower does work
MisterBouncyBounce
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i'm not surprised your reply is full of invective and not much else. basically your argument is "it's true because i said so".
why can't you reply like a decent person and with some reasoning? being nasty doesn't help anything.........news flash you're not the only one who's grown cannabis.