Should I start over?

I planted six holy punch beans on 3/15.
They all sprouted on 3/18.
I mixed a quarter cup of ewc & a half cup of, coast of maine stonington blend to six 18oz solo cups of organic seed starter. All of the beans germinated in their solo cups no problem. They were all fine till 3/25. That day I gave three seedlings to a friend who just bought equipment, he did not have any gear so I figured I would help him. I ended up giving him the better of the three because it's his first time growing and I wanted him to have a good start. The other 3 had roots growing out of the bottom of the solo cups like crazy, so I transplanted them into 1 gallon fabric pots. The seedlings I kept have been the same size from the time of transplant till I took pictures of them today.

I'm using coast of maine stonington blend as my soil. The mix I made for the seedlings was too get the girls acclimated to the coast of maine soil. I have sowed my beans this way since I started growing and have never had a problem!

As I said, they were fine until the 25th. They were fine until the 28th really. That's when things started to go wrong. I'm not sure what is going on with them. They seem stunted and all sorts of messed up now. I've never had this problem with any plants this early on. I can not seem to figure it out. My temps, humidity and air circulation have been consistent & on point, along with vpd. The run off is coming out at 6.5 since transplant. They were not over or under watered. They have plenty of nutrients as its living soil. I just dont get it.
Any help or advice is appreciated!




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The pots look pretty heavy on the water but that may just be me. How much run off are you getting? I know in no till you are not really looking for much if any run off, you want the pot to stay damp/mild moist but not soaking. Have the pots gone bone dry at all, if so maybe some of the microbial life has died and you might need a boost, maybe try some sort of tea? Maybe even a top dress with the castings might help out a bunch right now. Not nearly as experienced as most of the guys on here but that is where I would start.

The soil is very dark, it looks really wet even when dry. That being said, I did water them right before I took the pictures. Though they probably look soaked due too the ewc. Ive been spraying the tops and watering from the bottom since transplant. Though on two occasions since uppot they were top watered, just a few drops out of the sides. I'm using distilled water with a ph of 6.4..

I only checked run off while transplanting as I was already getting the soil moist for uppoting. That's the only time I had actual run off and it was done for that reason.

The pots have never dried out. I gave them stonington blend plant food. Npk is 5 2 4. each plant received a half tsp of feed the day they were transplanted. It was recommended 1 tsp per 6" diameter. The one gals are 6" exact. I didnt want to over do it with the feed that's why I used half a tsp. (I did apply another half tsp yesterday they look a bit better.) I also applied a small epsom salt foliar the day after transplant. They were all happy till the other day.

I'm going to brew some worm shit tea starting tomorrow. I'll also drop more castings on top. (Can't hurt right)

Maybe my light fried them a bit lol.
I'm using an hlg 320 xl 3000k. Till transplant I had it at 100 watts at 26" they were fine. I did up the watts to 185 3 days after transplant and also raised the light to 38" they were fine. I did shut the timer off by accident the other day and they were on for 24 hours at 38". Though by now they should be able to handle 24 hours straight even at that wattage & height.

I need to get some mulching for the top of the soil. I've not had any problems with the soil moisture, I'm sick of spraying them everyday though. Mulch will also benefit for other reasons. however I just do not feel as if that is playing the role.

Thank you for taking the time to stop in and give me some input. I appreciate you being honest in regard to your experience! Well, I'll give em a few more days and see what happens. If they make it, what is another few weeks of veg right..

Dont start over, just fix the problems. Once they start growing healthy all this will be left behind. You transplanted way too early IMO. In time they can grow and be happy I think. Right now they are probably mostly growing roots in the new pots.

Next time start seedlings in a light mix and wait longer to transplant to a hotter one.

Just my guess.

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I woundnt give them any food or teas. That soil is pretty solid and you wouldn’t need to give them anything for a good while. Less is more. I’d get mulch of some type to keep the first couple inches of soil moist, that way you Can cut down on watering frequency.

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My advice would be to leave them alone for a few days, no water (they look like they are plenty damp) or feedings.Love kills.

Renfro said:

Dont start over, just fix the problems. Once they start growing healthy all this will be left behind. You transplanted way too early IMO. In time they can grow and be happy I think. Right now they are probably mostly growing roots in the new pots.

Next time start seedlings in a light mix and wait longer to transplant to a hotter one.

Just my guess.

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You're right, I did transplant a bit early. I know I should have waited another week or so but as I said, the roots were coming out of the solo cup like crazy, I dont know why, but it made me nervous to just leave them.. I've never had that happen before. I should have just let them stay there and whatever grew out of the cup could have just air pruned themselves. You live & you learn. I should have posted before I did uppot them to get some advice. Though they were very healthy and I did not think anything of it. Oops.

They were in a light organic seedling mix. I added perlite ewc and a small amount of actual soil. Next run I'll just add some perlite and ewc only.

They are looking much better today than yesterday and yesterday they were looking better than the day before. hopefully they continue on this path. I did not think they would turn around this fast but they did, which is great. So, no I'm not going to start over. I'll give them time to get better and take it from there.

Jypsy Dog said:

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I was actually thinking about it for the future.

Growitpondifarm said:

I woundnt give them any food or teas. That soil is pretty solid and you wouldn’t need to give them anything for a good while. Less is more. I’d get mulch of some type to keep the first couple inches of soil moist, that way you Can cut down on watering frequency.

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I did feed them already. So it's too late for that. They actually seem to be doing a lot better after I did. It is a beautiful mix.

There is no requirement for food if you're in 15 gallon' unless you are vegging past 30 days. If you're in smaller pots they suggest their veg food during veg and their liquid squid or their fishbone meal for flower.
My final pot size will be 5 gals so things are a bit different.

I know, I know, I need some mulch hahahaa, I've got too get to the nursery a few towns over and grab some. Do you have any suggestions on what type to use? I was reading that different mulches are better for veg and others are better for flowering. Does this hold any weight, if so is there a type that's good for all around veg & flower?

shhhhhh said:

^^^^^^^^ (what he said)
My advice would be to leave them alone for a few days, no water (they look like they are plenty damp) or feedings.Love kills.

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I'm not doing anything with them. I've left them alone and will continue to do so.

SoMe_EfFin_MasS_HoLe said:

I did feed them already. So it's too late for that. They actually seem to be doing a lot better after I did. It is a beautiful mix.

There is no requirement for food if you're in 15 gallon' unless you are vegging past 30 days. If you're in smaller pots they suggest their veg food during veg and their liquid squid or their fishbone meal for flower.
My final pot size will be 5 gals so things are a bit different.

I know, I know, I need some mulch hahahaa, I've got too get to the nursery a few towns over and grab some. Do you have any suggestions on what type to use? I was reading that different mulches are better for veg and others are better for flowering. Does this hold any weight, if so is there a type that's good for all around veg & flower?

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Grab a handful of leaves, if you can find some from two falls ago even better. The brown leaves will add little organic matter to your pots too and if you have worms in there theyll love them. I use straw/leaves or any other dead plant material will work. Never heard of anyone using different mulch for different stages of growth. But people will try and sell anything, especially in the gardening world. I know because I’ve fallen victim to it in the past. Keep your soil properly watered and things will be just fine. If you’re doing 5 gallon pots, I wouldn’t do anything until you switch into flower, then hit them with an inch or two of compost mixed with a bit of fish bone meal and Kelp. If it’s a long flowering plant you could do that again at 4 weeks. Good luck

Growitpondifarm said:

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Grab a handful of leaves, if you can find some from two falls ago even better. The brown leaves will add little organic matter to your pots too and if you have worms in there theyll love them. I use straw/leaves or any other dead plant material will work. Never heard of anyone using different mulch for different stages of growth. But people will try and sell anything, especially in the gardening world. I know because I’ve fallen victim to it in the past. Keep your soil properly watered and things will be just fine. If you’re doing 5 gallon pots, I wouldn’t do anything until you switch into flower, then hit them with an inch or two of compost mixed with a bit of fish bone meal and Kelp. If it’s a long flowering plant you could do that again at 4 weeks. Good luck

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Thank you for the info. That is very true, I see so many people getting ripped off. it's sad that people do that type of nonsense.

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Jypsy Dog said:

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I do eventually want to try it out.
I will definitely start reading it. Thanks a lot!

SoMe_EfFin_MasS_HoLe said:

I do eventually want to try it out.
I will definitely start reading it. Thanks a lot!

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Your welcome... Coco makes everyone look good. Good Luck.

hey man looks like to much love as stated above but I'm a coco hoe so take little notice hope they come good for ya mate!

The girls are starting to gain some growth and get some green back. It's going to take a bit more to get them there, but I think they are going to be alright.

I'm not going to do anything aside from watering them for a few more days. They have already had feed, the amount I gave them will be enough for the next few weeks.

I'm wondering if using distilled water after the first week was having a play in the issue'. I did water them with spring water last night, just enough to keep the soil moist. The spring water ph was 6.5 and ppm' were at 117. I was a bit nervous to switch from distilled over to the spring. I checked on them at 2.pm. today and they were fine with the spring water.

The last run I was using tap water, the ph at that time was 6.5 - 7.0 and the ppm' about 350 to 430. The water municipality was using chlorine as well no big deal after 24 hours. I had no problems with the tap water while using roots organics bottles. I checked the tap before I started this run the ph was from 8.0 to 9.0 and ppm' were over 600. I was told by a woman in the water municipality office, that they are most likely going to start using chloramine as well. So no tap water for me either way this run or possibly the ones after.

I have to decide to use home delivery or an osmosis filter. Water delivery will be about 120.00 for the year with free cooler. a good filter is about 300.00 from what I have seen.
Wanted to see if anyone had any insight as to which would be most beneficial for living soil.
I have read conflicting or vague things on both, they were also from a while ago.

I should hopefully be able to finally make it too the farm this weekend. I'm thinking of getting wheat straw as a cover. I wanted to plant a cover crop in the beginning. I also wanted to start off slow and learn more about living soil as I've never used it.

Here is a picture from today.

Rowdybuds said:

hey man looks like to much love as stated above but I'm a coco hoe so take little notice hope they come good for ya mate!

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Hey mate, thanks for stopping in.
I went to finally pm you back the other day and got side tracked with this and some other things.
I missed you brother, hope all is well with you and the family. I'll give you a shout soon. I've got to catch up with your grow man. Hows the jack shit?

Jypsy Dog said:

Your welcome... Coco makes everyone look good. Good Luck.

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Lol so I have been told. A friend came by the other day and saw them and said the same. Thought he was busting them on me.