Shooting Black Teens in Florida? A God Given Right? Another tragedy in Florida

mysunnyboy said:

rep on that mosesif this was a white kid would he have reached for his gun as quickly? and who drives away after shooting at a car full of people 8 or 9 times? a drunk, guilty person imo

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A pathetic assumption to reach from such little info.
Let me paraphrase your quote above: "Racist! Hes a racist! He was drunk and out hunting blacks all night!!!"

But what's to make you think that after being requested to lower the music, the kids didn't tell him something along the lines of "you're dead when you come back out, Iv got a shotgun" ??

Teenagers are stupid and say stupid things, how do you know they didn't threaten him? Cos violence seems to be what the kids resort to first nowadays.

Just cos the white guy "won" this time he's automatically a racist prowling for "coons"?

Harrekin said:

A pathetic assumption to reach from such little info.
Let me paraphrase your quote above: "Racist! Hes a racist! He was drunk and out hunting blacks all night!!!"

But what's to make you think that after being requested to lower the music, the kids didn't tell him something along the lines of "you're dead when you come back out, Iv got a shotgun" ??

Teenagers are stupid and say stupid things, how do you know they didn't threaten him? Cos violence seems to be what the kids resort to first nowadays.

Just cos the white guy "won" this time he's automatically a racist prowling for "coons"?

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based on your example, you are saying you would fire on just the driver of a car with four people in it 8-9 times and then drive off without notifying the cops about your self defense because someone said they had a shotgun?

yeah, that's likely.

The guy should have left the kids alone and if the music was such a problem he should have called the cops. Once again some guy trying to be the police himself. Hard to say if this guy was one threat away from pulling the trigger no matter who it was or he is racist. If I walk to a car and say turn down the music(which I wouldn't) and they say fuck you I got a shotgun. I turn around and call the police. Not start shooting at the car based on a verbal threat. What a dumb fuck.

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According to police, there were no guns in the vehicle and none of the teens were carrying weapons. It is unclear at this time why Dunn claims to have felt threatened

Harrekin said:

A pathetic assumption to reach from such little info.
Let me paraphrase your quote above: "Racist! Hes a racist! He was drunk and out hunting blacks all night!!!"

But what's to make you think that after being requested to lower the music, the kids didn't tell him something along the lines of "you're dead when you come back out, Iv got a shotgun" ??

Teenagers are stupid and say stupid things, how do you know they didn't threaten him? Cos violence seems to be what the kids resort to first nowadays.

Just cos the white guy "won" this time he's automatically a racist prowling for "coons"?

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no he was at his kid's wedding and the reception afterward. they stopped to buy more wine. i know how to read and am informed, why don't you try it?

Harrekin said:

But what's to make you think that after being requested to lower the music, the kids didn't tell him something along the lines of "you're dead when you come back out, Iv got a shotgun" ??

Teenagers are stupid and say stupid things, how do you know they didn't threaten him? Cos violence seems to be what the kids resort to first nowadays.

Just cos the white guy "won" this time he's automatically a racist prowling for "coons"?

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Goddamn dude, this is America not your car-bombing, molatov cocktail loving island. There still needs to be a legitimate threat to life in order to use lethal force, in America at least. If the kids in the car had no gun to threaten the guy with, then there is no legitimate threat.

Meanwhile in the US black kills black, black kills caucasian, caucasian kills caucasian, caucasian kills indian, black kills Latino, latino kills black, latino kills latino, caucasian goes nuts kills everyone, asian goes nuts kills everyone, black goes nuts kills everyone, no one cares. yeah I don't see an agenda here.

Totoe said:

Goddamn dude, this is America not your car-bombing, molatov cocktail loving island. There still needs to be a legitimate threat to life in order to use lethal force, in America at least. If the kids in the car had no gun to threaten the guy with, then there is no legitimate threat.

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Unless of course the kids said there was a shotgun and that they were gonna kill the dude. If I say I have a gun and am going to kill you you can shoot me, even if it turns out I had no gun you should be exonerated. The law does not say that the defender must ascertain whether or not the threat can be backed up, one only needs to fear for their life.

Harrekin said:

If a black dude shot a white dude, would the Libtards still go as bat-shit crazy?

I think we both know the honest answer to that Bear.

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that kind of depends, if we didn't have FOUR HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS of institutionalized racism, if there were never such things as lynching parties, then maybe your observation would make some sense. Otherwise, no, we libtards won't go quite so bat-shit crazy when a black guy shoots a white guy, but on the other hand. When that black guy shoots that white guy you can be damn sure the black guy will get the full weight of the law laid upon his head. The white guy? not so much.

NoDrama said:

Unless of course the kids said there was a shotgun and that they were gonna kill the dude. If I say I have a gun and am going to kill you you can shoot me, even if it turns out I had no gun you should be exonerated. The law does not say that the defender must ascertain whether or not the threat can be backed up, one only needs to fear for their life.

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I think you are misrepresenting the law. Yes self-defense is justifiable when someone feels that their life is in jeopardy. However, the threat to life has to be real, it can not simply be some kid saying he has a gun and is going to shoot you. The kid needs to actually have a gun for the threat to be real. Otherwise, it is known as terroristic threatening. TT is not a crime where the use of lethal force is justifiable. So to apply these ideas to this case, a man needs to have a more substantiated fear than "they said they were gonna shoot me" like say actual visual confirmation of the shotgun, before he unloads his 9 into a car full of people.

NoDrama said:

Unless of course the kids said there was a shotgun and that they were gonna kill the dude. If I say I have a gun and am going to kill you you can shoot me, even if it turns out I had no gun you should be exonerated. The law does not say that the defender must ascertain whether or not the threat can be backed up, one only needs to fear for their life.

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If that is true, that the stand your ground law provides for folks who fear for their lives from teens in a neighboring car and needs no verifyable or reasonable guage of threat - then the stand your ground law is deeply flawed. I could shoot you because you have tats and are 6 foot 5 because I 'feared for my personal safety' A woman could shoot a man who is walking behind her minding his own business but the woman had been raped 15 years ago and constantly "fears for her own safety". A black guy who was assaulted 10 years ago by a band of white teens, upon seeing some at a street corner could claim that he was in fear for his safety and shoot them all. If all we have to have is an unproveable level of fear of one another, then it wouldn't be much of a problem for any insecure person to shoot someone else in public. Hell - I'd have been dead a long long time ago if people were allowed to shoot intimidating men who frightened them.

Totoe said:

I think you are misrepresenting the law. Yes self-defense is justifiable when someone feels that their life is in jeopardy. However, the threat to life has to be real, it can not simply be some kid saying he has a gun and is going to shoot you. The kid needs to actually have a gun for the threat to be real. Otherwise, it is known as terroristic threatening. TT is not a crime where the use of lethal force is justifiable. So to apply these ideas to this case, a man needs to have a more substantiated fear than "they said they were gonna shoot me" like say actual visual confirmation of the shotgun, before he unloads his 9 into a car full of people.

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And so we see the problem with the law. It takes a degree of reserve and judgement in order to decide when one's life is truely in danger. The gun wackos think that just because they go to the range once a month that they somehow intrisnicly posess that calm resolve.

canndo said:

that kind of depends, if we didn't have FOUR HUNDRED FUCKING YEARS of institutionalized racism, if there were never such things as lynching parties, then maybe your observation would make some sense. Otherwise, no, we libtards won't go quite so bat-shit crazy when a black guy shoots a white guy, but on the other hand. When that black guy shoots that white guy you can be damn sure the black guy will get the full weight of the law laid upon his head. The white guy? not so much.

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Hmm and I am sure you can prove this statement that white people that kill get favoritism? This should be interesting.

nontheist said:

Hmm and I am sure you can prove this statement that white people that kill get favoritism? This should be interesting.

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Try google

anyone can claim self defense..... doesn't mean he wont go to jail murder.

did they let him off?

DonPepe said:

anyone can claim self defense..... doesn't mean he wont go to jail murder.

did they let him off?

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they won't let him off too many mistakes in his cover story

ChesusRice said:

they won't let him off too many mistakes in his cover story

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exactly so whats the problem? i mean aside from the fact that someone was killed. A guy most likely murdered someone, they arrested him, and he will mostly likely be punished..... people seem to be trying to compare this the zimmerman case just because someone is claiming it was self defense.... zimmerman was not arrested he was just assumed innocent, thus i can understand the controversy.

until they let him off i don't see what there is to argue over...........

If he didn't try to use Florida law to cover up the murder like Zimmerman you would of never heard about it

Harrekin said:

If a black dude shot a white dude, would the Libtards still go as bat-shit crazy?

I think we both know the honest answer to that Bear.

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And did the libtard papers report the 50 black on black shooting and stabbings that happened that night?

Totoe said:

I think you are misrepresenting the law. Yes self-defense is justifiable when someone feels that their life is in jeopardy. However, the threat to life has to be real, it can not simply be some kid saying he has a gun and is going to shoot you. The kid needs to actually have a gun for the threat to be real. Otherwise, it is known as terroristic threatening. TT is not a crime where the use of lethal force is justifiable. So to apply these ideas to this case, a man needs to have a more substantiated fear than "they said they were gonna shoot me" like say actual visual confirmation of the shotgun, before he unloads his 9 into a car full of people.

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You don't think 9 kids can pummel a man to death? You don't need a gun to kill, the Marines taught me how to take away a knife from someone, flip his ass onto his back while breaking the arm of the assailant and then a hard Marine combat heel to the skull easily crushes him to death. No shotgun needed.

Maybe the kids just said they were gonna kill him?

A terroristic threat is only terroristic when it is obviously not being enforced at the time. If you call me on the phone and say your gonna kill me with your bare hands, does that mean I am justified to drive over and shoot you? If you yell the same thing at me from across the street and then walk away its the same thing, I am not justified in shooting you at all. On the other hand if you say that to my face and then come at me with your fists I get to shoot your ass, even if you only intended to scare me.

The whole defense pivots on the mind of the DEFENDER, if he truly thought his life was in danger beyond any reasonable logic, then he goes free.