September 11th, 2001: Inside Job?

What really happened that day?

  • Muslim terrorists. Move along, nothing to see here.

    Votes: 20 29.0%

  • Inside job. Too many coincidences.

    Votes: 43 62.3%

  • Not sure. Both theories seem plausible.

    Votes: 6 8.7%
  • Total voters
    69
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Heisenberg said:
"Pseudoscientists – those pretending to do science (maybe even sincerely believing they are doing science) but who get the process profoundly wrong, use anomalies in a different way. They often engage it what we call anomaly hunting – looking for apparent anomalies. They are not, however, looking for clues to a deeper understanding of reality. They are often hunting for anomalies in service to the overarching pseudoscientific process of reverse engineering scientific conclusions."


"What this means is that pseudoscience almost always works backwards – that is its primary malfunction, starting with a desired conclusion and then looking for evidence and twisting logic to support that conclusion."


"With regard to anomalies the logic often works like this: “If my pet theory is true then when I look at the data I will find anomalies.” The unstated major premise of this logic is that if their pet theory were not true then they would not find anomalies. This is naive, however. Another component of this line of argument is the broad definition of anomaly."


"In real science an anomaly is only declared so after exhaustive efforts to explain it within existing theories fail. Astronomers checked and quadruple checked their calculations of Mercury’s orbit. They hypothesized that there were other bodies in the solar system exerting gravitational effects on Mercury. They did everything they could to explain Mercury’s orbit within Newtonian physics. This process didn't really end until Einstein explained the orbit of Mercury."

"What pseudoscientists often fail to recognize is that if you take any complex natural phenomenon, historical event, object or process and you look for apparent anomalies (broadly defined), you will find them. Humans are great at pattern recognition, and so if you look for coincidence in the data you will detect them. You will also find features that resulted from a complex interplay if unique events and therefore will be impossible to prove a specific explanation."

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/anomaly-hunting/
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It's funny you quote this when every single paper I've ever read supporting the completely physically impossible collapses does exactly this. Start with a conclusion and make up evidence to fit it. Literally, it's all models (some of which still can't be released for public consumption apparently) and all of it completely unsupported by the actual evidence.

It's easy to cherry pick this because there's so much misinformation out there. But there's way more than enough evidence to start serious criminal investigations of major individuals in the US government - way more than enough significantly more thorough investigation and questioning than was actually done.

What exactly happened and who was involved exactly will probably remain a mystery, but to suggest all the CT'ers stuff unravels under closer examination is simply incorrect. Too many questions, not enough answers.

And stuff like this is always going to have multiple rabbit holes so as to provide cover and disinfo to discredit. Because it's really easy to jump on bad intelligence that seems good, for some of the reasons you stated above.

Most of the people who ended up being involved in this probably never knew what it is they were actually involved in.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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echelon1k1 said:
I've got that photo too, it's rather grainey and there's is a similarity, i can't be 100% sure, but the fact he can't remember where he was that day is dubious to say the least.
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The fact he can't remember is pretty ridiculous and unbelievable.

JFK had so many enemies and there were so many angles, again, any additional shooters will never be found. And there have been some death bed confessions about this kind of stuff too (E Howard Hunt), but it gets overlooked (obviously as it's interesting Heisenberg mentioned this exact thing in regards to JFK).
 
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gioua

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1 day before the Pentagon crash..

anyone remember this on 9-10-01?? didn't think so


[h=1] Missing Trillions
[/h] [h=2] Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference [/h] On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends. [SUP] 1 [/SUP] [SUP] 2 [/SUP]
Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."
The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. [SUP] 3 [/SUP] [SUP] 4 [/SUP] Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." [SUP] 5 [/SUP]





what portion of the pentagon was hit ??

the damage was confined to the outer three rings of the building's west block, a portion of the building that was undergoing renovation scheduled for completion in mid-September of 2001.


[SIZE=-1]More than half of the people listed as missing in the aftermath of the attack worked in the Pentagon's Naval Command Center

[/SIZE]when the pentagon was hit, the "plane" coincidentally hit the very side of the building where the accounting department is, killing most of the accountants/bookeepers/budget analysts that would be investigating where this money went.[SIZE=-1]


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PathofTime420

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I pondered the question for a period of time. I am a Veteran of the US and I joined just prior to 9/11. After some time, I concluded that all the investigation and research in the world won't change whether it was or wasn't a act conducted on some level by the US Regime.

What I can say it did teach me is the realization that the US Regime has not had respect for it's citizenry in a long period of time. It's just as heartless and cowardly as the Regime's they point a finger at over sea's. The US Regime is equal to Bashar Al-Assad, Muammar Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Hamas, Al-Qaeda, Zionist, etc.

A Regime that does not respect its citizenry is a regime worthy of NOT being believed or trusted. They are as much the adversary as the next regime they are still pointing at. It's never them. It's never the US Regime.

As far as I see and feel it, The US Regime, and it's foreign interest are the largest known "terrorist" this planet has ever been cursed to house.

They curse up and down sectarianism all the while screaming to win over hearts and minds for Nationalism. Both Jewish and American Alike. Hypocrites!

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was the US Regime that organized and orchestrated the tragedies of 9/11. I hold more merit in it being done by the US Regime than I do the "terrorist" they are still pointing at.
 
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gioua

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PathofTime420 said:
I pondered the question for a period of time. I am a Veteran of the US and I joined just prior to 9/11..
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Thank you for your service to our Country!

a Navy bratt myself have been exposed to the Military at birth have great respect for those who willingly leave their home, their country and family.
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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OGEvilgenius said:
The fact he can't remember is pretty ridiculous and unbelievable.

JFK had so many enemies and there were so many angles, again, any additional shooters will never be found. And there have been some death bed confessions about this kind of stuff too (E Howard Hunt), but it gets overlooked (obviously as it's interesting Heisenberg mentioned this exact thing in regards to JFK).
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Everyone I know that was alive then remembers. My Grandma is 84 and she remebers like it was yesterday. I know Hunt's confession is overlooked, so are the involvements of Bush, Files, Sturgis, LBJ, Nixon, De Mohrenschildt, Morales... the list goes on. We have to remember that these people lie for a living.

For the record I believe De Mohrenschildt was Oswalds handler.

I have heard reports of a document floating around called the "Gemstone File". Apparently JFK Jr. came accross it and spent a six figure sum to have the contents authenticated & verified. The file had everything related to JFKs murder, financial transactions, cheques, work orders, CIA Cables. He was looking to have a grand jury issue indictments. This was early July '99, he died on 16th July '99.
 
CSI Stickyicky

CSI Stickyicky

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echelon1k1 said:
Everyone I know that was alive then remembers. My Grandma is 84 and she remebers like it was yesterday. I know Hunt's confession is overlooked, so are the involvements of Bush, Files, Sturgis, LBJ, Nixon, De Mohrenschildt, Morales... the list goes on. We have to remember that these people lie for a living.

For the record I believe De Mohrenschildt was Oswalds handler.

I have heard reports of a document floating around called the "Gemstone File". Apparently JFK Jr. came accross it and spent a six figure sum to have the contents authenticated & verified. The file had everything related to JFKs murder, financial transactions, cheques, work orders, CIA Cables. He was looking to have a grand jury issue indictments. This was early July '99, he died on 16th July '99.
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It should also be noted that Dubya has been suspected of being the assassin of JFK Jr., in order to protect George H.W. Bush's role in the '63 big event.
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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CSI Stickyicky said:
It should also be noted that Dubya has been suspected of being the assassin of JFK Jr., in order to protect George H.W. Bush's role in the '63 big event.
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Hadn't heard that one... Interesting.. Got anymore info on that?

It wouldn't surprise me as apparently the Gemstone File names George H W Bush as a key player. Which again should be investigated just look at the shit the bush family's been invloved with;

- The Business Plot
- Supporting Hitler & Nazi Party
- Bay of Pigs / Anti Castro Cubans
- JFK, RFK, JFK jr
- China 1 child policy & UN Security Council
- Iran Contra
- 9/11 and all the horrendeous shit since then

Did anyone say enhanced interrogation?
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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The Business Plot a reference to the fascist coup Prescott Bush (and JP Morgan and others) attempted to lead in the 30's (via Smedley Butler who exposed them to Congress - who of course did nothing to them at all)?
 
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ExtremeMetal43

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Ive seen more evidence that the US government or other illuminati types were behind 9/11 that evidence that it was bin laden or al quaeda whatever. Same thing when they killed Osama they threw his body overboard...what a crock of shit. Same how they explained all those birds and fish droppin dead on fireworks. There is not one organization in the world more full of shit thn the US government.

THe most important evidence behind 9/11 is they shipped off all the remains of the WTC's and pentagon and summit county crashes to China. Now if theres a regular plane crash they will take the entire remains and rebuild it to see what went wrong. nope we wont be needing thissend it to China. Those buildings were designed to withstand fire and plane crashes ask any engineer that built them. those building obviously were demolished in a very professional fashion. They strait free fell a 100 stories. There is evidence of thermite being used with 45 degree cuts at the main support beams. Why didnt they try to figure out what made them fall because they already knew what happened and dont want people diggin where they shouldnt.

Also, the NORAD thing is worth looking into. I forget other points but ya it was an inside job.
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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ExtremeMetal43 said:
Same thing when they killed Osama they threw his body overboard...what a crock of shit. QUOTE]

His body is sitting in the FBI crime lab in VA. Pure fiction the "man overboard" story...

But before anyone jumps in with - there was no raid, they're definetly was.

It was a KILL mission, decided by Red team before the op. The assaulters also disable their audio/video recording devices... Helmet/Gun cams... before entering his room.

He was shot once in the head (CNS) and 12 times in his body.

There is a REAL pic floating around the web that was leaked by a former CAG (delta) operator, and was shared around SOCOM before it's release to the net.
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unohu69

unohu69

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I hadnt heard about that. damn dude.. i have spent a fair amount of time looking into a lot of these things myself. sound like you might know a few things....
 
blacksun

blacksun

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Military grade nano thermite (the kind of stuff that takes a powerful government to research and develop, not a bunch of neanderthals in caves who can barely handle 1970's RPGs) in the wreckage that the official "investigators" that were supposed to look into the 9/11 conspiracy completely ignored (parentheses around "investigators" because they were appointed by the very same government they were supposed to be investigating).

And that wreckage was gathered up, shipped off, and destroyed immediately.

That says it all, doesn't it?
 
blacksun

blacksun

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Oo, another one of my favorites:

The video footage from the single gas station across from the pentagon that shows exactly what actually hit the pentagon that they still wont release.
 
CSI Stickyicky

CSI Stickyicky

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Or how Osama Bin Laden was never formally indicted by the FBI because they said they didn't have enough evidence to link him to the attack. They knew he was a patsy.
 
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gioua

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echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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gioua said:
listen to this.. min 55+ we were able to monitor the entire operation...

and 3:32 he hid behind women..?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/white-house-osama-used-his-wife-as-human-shield/
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He didn't hide behind women, he peered over the 3rd floor balcony looking down at the advancing Seals coming up the stairs, the point man immediately recognised UBL, and put a round through his head above his left eye. He fell back into the room, as the Seals entered the Bedroom, his 2 wives were lying over him crying, he was gasping for air on his last breaths, the point man pulled the women off UBL, bearhugging them into the corner of the room, should they of had explosives on them. The following two assaulters trained their weapons on him, firing 2 groups of 3 round bursts into his centre mass. JOB DONE. Seals rolled of their target, proceeding to clear the rest of the floor.

Edit- Brennan is also Obamas pick for new CT adviser. IMO a very poor choice.
 
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fdd2blk

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echelon1k1 said:
He didn't hide behind women, he peered over the 3rd floor balcony looking down at the advancing Seals coming up the stairs, the point man immediately recognised UBL, and put a round through his head above his left eye. He fell back into the room, as the Seals entered the Bedroom, his 2 wives were lying over him crying, he was gasping for air on his last breaths, the point man pulled the women off UBL, bearhugging them into the corner of the room, should they of had explosives on them. The following two assaulters trained their weapons on him, firing 2 groups of 3 round bursts into his centre mass. JOB DONE. Seals rolled of their target, proceeding to clear the rest of the floor.

Edit- Brennan is also Obamas pick for new CT adviser. IMO a very poor choice.

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why does your pic look different than all these? ===> https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=776&q=osama+bin+laden&oq=os&gs_l=img.1.1.0l10.2351.5405.0.6639.6.4.2.0.0.0.72.274.4.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.g_976ajaWg0#hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=osama+bin+laden+body&oq=osama+bin+laden+body&gs_l=img.12..0l4j0i24l6.530.530.1.4473.1.1.0.0.0.0.415.415.4-1.1.0...0.0...1c.87_5GqCyJ_o&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.cGE&fp=14821cffe83e0461&biw=1333&bih=647


just wondering. :?




EDIT:
upon further investigation, the google pics are FAKE. yours may actually be the "real deal". ;-)
 
echelon1k1

echelon1k1

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fdd2blk said:
why does your pic look different than all these? ===> https://www.google.com/search?num=10&hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=776&q=osama+bin+laden&oq=os&gs_l=img.1.1.0l10.2351.5405.0.6639.6.4.2.0.0.0.72.274.4.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.g_976ajaWg0#hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=osama+bin+laden+body&oq=osama+bin+laden+body&gs_l=img.12..0l4j0i24l6.530.530.1.4473.1.1.0.0.0.0.415.415.4-1.1.0...0.0...1c.87_5GqCyJ_o&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.cGE&fp=14821cffe83e0461&biw=1333&bih=647


just wondering. :?




EDIT:
upon further investigation, the google pics are FAKE. yours may actually be the "real deal". ;-)
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Right on... I'm not saying believe me, but I am confident it's the real deal.
 
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