Seeking Watering Question

carsunltd32

carsunltd32

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Hey everyone! So this is my first grow and everything has been going great. A few days ago I was worried I had gnats so I let the soil get a little drier than usual to make sure there was nothing crawling in the soil. Anyway, no gnats and went back to my normal watering schedule. After that day a couple of them have started to wilt a bit (pic attached). They were planted into the solo cups Aug 6th. I spray them with about 8-10 sprays and do that 2 times per day. After reading what other people do with watering until there is some run off is a lot more water than I give. I know new growers are notorious for over watering but does it seem like I am underwatering?

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Jypsy Dog

Jypsy Dog

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carsunltd32 said:
Hey everyone! So this is my first grow and everything has been going great. A few days ago I was worried I had gnats so I let the soil get a little drier than usual to make sure there was nothing crawling in the soil. Anyway, no gnats and went back to my normal watering schedule. After that day a couple of them have started to wilt a bit (pic attached). They were planted into the solo cups Aug 6th. I spray them with about 8-10 sprays and do that 2 times per day. After reading what other people do with watering until there is some run off is a lot more water than I give. I know new growers are notorious for over watering but does it seem like I am underwatering?

Help!
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Stop Loving it so much. When the cup feels light...Apply Love. (water)
 
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growingforfun

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carsunltd32 said:
Hey everyone! So this is my first grow and everything has been going great. A few days ago I was worried I had gnats so I let the soil get a little drier than usual to make sure there was nothing crawling in the soil. Anyway, no gnats and went back to my normal watering schedule. After that day a couple of them have started to wilt a bit (pic attached). They were planted into the solo cups Aug 6th. I spray them with about 8-10 sprays and do that 2 times per day. After reading what other people do with watering until there is some run off is a lot more water than I give. I know new growers are notorious for over watering but does it seem like I am underwatering?

Help!
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Your double solo cup is part of the problem. I get that your using the second one to catch water, but you need a tap for air, some cups can be rotated a little bit so they sit about a half inch higher, an if those ones dont then ditch the bottom cup. Also quit misting them so much. Looks like your overwatering to me. Make sure it they get good wet dry cycles, then water till you get good run off. important.
 
SchmoeJoe

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carsunltd32 said:
Hey everyone! So this is my first grow and everything has been going great. A few days ago I was worried I had gnats so I let the soil get a little drier than usual to make sure there was nothing crawling in the soil. Anyway, no gnats and went back to my normal watering schedule. After that day a couple of them have started to wilt a bit (pic attached). They were planted into the solo cups Aug 6th. I spray them with about 8-10 sprays and do that 2 times per day. After reading what other people do with watering until there is some run off is a lot more water than I give. I know new growers are notorious for over watering but does it seem like I am underwatering?

Help!
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Over watering isn't using too much at one time. It's watering too often to the point that the soil and roots don't get a chance to breath between waterings. If you were able to let more time pass between waterings without wilting then you definitely need to wait longer than your usual routine between waterings.
 
TacoMac

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There is no such thing as a "watering schedule". You water when the plant tells you to water.

You can tell that by lifting the pot. If you water it to get runoff, lift the pot. You don't need to water again until it gets nearly half as light.

Don't do that "finger in the soil" bit. You want the plant to grow deep roots, so wait until the pot gets light. That will mean the soil is almost completely dry, then you water again.
 
carsunltd32

carsunltd32

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growingforfun said:
Your double solo cup is part of the problem. I get that your using the second one to catch water, but you need a tap for air, some cups can be rotated a little bit so they sit about a half inch higher, an if those ones dont then ditch the bottom cup. Also quit misting them so much. Looks like your overwatering to me. Make sure it they get good wet dry cycles, then water till you get good run off. important.
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I took the second cup off and put a pan under all of the cups. I am going to wait for them to get drier before I water them. When I water them I will wait for a bit of run off to come out of the holes on the bottom of the cups.

Is that a good plan?

Thanks for all the help!
 
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growingforfun

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carsunltd32 said:
I took the second cup off and put a pan under all of the cups. I am going to wait for them to get drier before I water them. When I water them I will wait for a bit of run off to come out of the holes on the bottom of the cups.

Is that a good plan?

Thanks for all the help!
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It's a good start. Pans a arnt the best bet as some kinds can mold. But its better than before.
 
SchmoeJoe

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carsunltd32 said:
I took the second cup off and put a pan under all of the cups. I am going to wait for them to get drier before I water them. When I water them I will wait for a bit of run off to come out of the holes on the bottom of the cups.

Is that a good plan?

Thanks for all the help!
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Everything but the pan. You'll want to be sure to drain your drain pain to make sure that the pots aren't sitting in standing water.
 
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growingforfun

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carsunltd32 said:
Awesome. I’m hoping this will fix the issue. Let them breathe then water until there is a bit of runoff once soil looks dry?
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It's really hard for a new grower, but make sure the dirt is BONE dry. It's what makes the roots fully grow. A little bit of droop even in the stem is fine, they will recover no issues.
I've got so many plants in my veg area I literally dont water until a few are drooping like candy cains. They are happy as can be a few hours later standing up tall.

This makes the roots FULLY use the soil. The differance is huge. Then when you eventually transplant the much larger root mass will grow faster into the new container.
 
carsunltd32

carsunltd32

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growingforfun said:
It's really hard for a new grower, but make sure the dirt is BONE dry. It's what makes the roots fully grow. A little bit of droop even in the stem is fine, they will recover no issues.
I've got so many plants in my veg area I literally dont water until a few are drooping like candy cains. They are happy as can be a few hours later standing up tall.

This makes the roots FULLY use the soil. The differance is huge. Then when you eventually transplant the much larger root mass will grow faster into the new container.
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I’ll try to hold back on the watering lol

If they are in solo cups now, when should I transplant? I have 1, 3, and 5 gallon fabric pots ready to go. I was thinking maybe changing from the solo to a 1 gallon pot didn’t make sense and go straight to the 3 gallon? Cut down on transplanting?
 
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growingforfun

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carsunltd32 said:
I’ll try to hold back on the watering lol

If they are in solo cups now, when should I transplant? I have 1, 3, and 5 gallon fabric pots ready to go. I was thinking maybe changing from the solo to a 1 gallon pot didn’t make sense and go straight to the 3 gallon? Cut down on transplanting?
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Mostly depends on your goals.
I like to really keep them contained as long as possible because I dont flower very many at a time but I take a ton of clones at once. So I can keep some clones in solo cups for 2 months or longer (I've got several that have been in solo cups over 2 month right now!) An some of these will end up being in veg 4 months or even 6 months while they wait for a turn in the flower area. But I've also transplanted some up to 3 gallon pots to be ready to go into flower in a few days when I'll put them in 5 gallon containers.

I like to do solo cup > 2 quart > 3 or 5 gallon.

You'll get the feel for what works best for you over time, it's more of a situational thing than a 1 size fits all thing.
 
SchmoeJoe

SchmoeJoe

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carsunltd32 said:
Awesome. I’m hoping this will fix the issue. Let them breathe then water until there is a bit of runoff once soil looks dry?
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Just check the weight of the pot. You'll eventually end up letting them ho long enough that they start to wilt. It's nit really a big deal but I prefer to avoid it watering just before it happens. It is a good way to find out how light the pot gets at that point and over time you'll learn when is the orine time to water before they start to wilt.
 
Azubaz

Azubaz

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Feel the weight of the cup when its wet.

Feel the weight of the cup when its dry.

You should be able to tell a difference. Even if the top soil looks dry, you could still have a lot of soil down there that is moist that yoy don't see. After a while of feeling the cup weight or pot weight (ounce you transplant watering should be the same) you'll know when it needs water.
I always feel it's good to water until you get some run off of water out of the bottom. Let it drain for a second so you don't have any stagnant water in the bottom
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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carsunltd32 said:
Hey everyone! So this is my first grow and everything has been going great. A few days ago I was worried I had gnats so I let the soil get a little drier than usual to make sure there was nothing crawling in the soil. Anyway, no gnats and went back to my normal watering schedule. After that day a couple of them have started to wilt a bit (pic attached). They were planted into the solo cups Aug 6th. I spray them with about 8-10 sprays and do that 2 times per day. After reading what other people do with watering until there is some run off is a lot more water than I give. I know new growers are notorious for over watering but does it seem like I am underwatering?

Help!
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In a perfect world your extra drying of the soil dried/killed some roots and now the plant cant quite obtain enough water. These will grow back but back the light off a little to ease transpiration back to what the roots can now handle.

Without me actually growing that plant diagnosis is such a stab in the dark and probably other things that seem similar.

That being that it should rebound over the next week or two and we learnt that we should never go into the plants permenant wilt point.

Good luck, could try fert too idk :-)
 
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