Seedlings in distress! Crumpled Leaves! Pics! Help!

thehipagent

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I have some great looking seedlings, and then I have these...

Tiny undeveloped or crumpled leaves! Any idea whats going on here? I was using high alkaline water without knowing it for the first while, swtiched to some good stuff today, watered the hell out of them in an attempt to flush the alkaline from the soil.

Seeds were planted in jiffy pellets 7 days ago today, stupidly tranplanted to pots 4 days ago because of root growth out the side of pellets. (very little)

Temps are 75-84
Humidity is 35-40%
current ph is about 7, still trying to get it down
(according to soil meter)

Using a 400w metal halide, organic choice miraclegrow soil, ph test strips,

Strain is aurora indica, except the really strong looking ones on the left, those are mazar afghans.
 

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lampshade

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thehipagent said:
I have some great looking seedlings, and then I have these...

Tiny undeveloped or crumpled leaves! Any idea whats going on here? I was using high alkaline water without knowing it for the first while, swtiched to some good stuff today, watered the hell out of them in an attempt to flush the alkaline from the soil.

Seeds were planted in jiffy pellets 7 days ago today, stupidly tranplanted to pots 4 days ago because of root growth out the side of pellets. (very little)

Temps are 75-84
Humidity is 35-40%
current ph is about 7, still trying to get it down
(according to soil meter)

Using a 400w metal halide, organic choice miraclegrow soil, ph test strips,

Strain is aurora indica, except the really strong looking ones on the left, those are mazar afghans.
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7 is a normal pH. 6.5 is much much better though. Those pics are real blurry and they look really yellow, cant tell. Which one is the bad one/ones the third pic?
 
thehipagent

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lampshade said:
7 is a normal pH. 6.5 is much much better though. Those pics are real blurry and they look really yellow, cant tell. Which one is the bad one/ones the third pic?
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The second one is the problem im worried about with the crumpling. The third one just never grew its real leaves and is just kinda lifeless, it has a brown area on both leaves and looks yellowish.
 
lampshade

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thehipagent said:
The second one is the problem im worried about with the crumpling. The third one just never grew its real leaves and is just kinda lifeless, it has a brown area on both leaves and looks yellowish.
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Okay i kinda see it now. That does look like a pH issue. Keep working on it, hell get you some lemon juice and add just a bit to the water. Try to get it down like that. Good luck.
It looks like the third one still is stuck in its seed coat but i cant tell, is it? Lamp
 
thehipagent

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nah, thats the spot from the high ph and nute lock i think... not sure he'll survive, I need to get that ph down! i
 
taffo143

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just keep them moist and theyl pull through, cannabis is a very fersatile plant, it will do anything to survive, dont stress ova it and just keep it moist i bet u it will pull thru and grow into a lovely healthy plant!!
 
thehipagent

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taffo143 said:
just keep them moist and theyl pull through, cannabis is a very fersatile plant, it will do anything to survive, dont stress ova it and just keep it moist i bet u it will pull thru and grow into a lovely healthy plant!!
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Hows Iceland? ALWAYS wanted to go there just to spend time with you people, always amazes me. I love the music too.

Well thanks for the encouragement, I am keeping them moist, and the ph is down to about 6.5 i think. I gave them a quarter solution of grow big today, just to get a little nute back into the soil since the flush happened 2 nights ago.

I have seen growth, the mazars have just about doubled in 2 days... but ALL the AI's are crumpled looking, they are growing but everything looks wrinkled and compact, they arent flat like the mazars. UGH.

Pics soon, any ideas guys? they are all growing uneven, twisty, wrinkly, curling, leaves in the exact same conditions the mazars who look amazing are in.
 
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Ive seen lots of positive growth, but the growth has still been folded and crumpled (I still think crumple is the best way to describe the problem)

Here are finally some decent pictures of what I have been talking about, except the one which looks fantastic, which is how the mazars look.

They are all about 9 days old, and some of them have no true leaves yet! discoloration too... all grown in the exact same conditions... jeez
 

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thehipagent said:
Ive seen lots of positive growth, but the growth has still been folded and crumpled (I still think crumple is the best way to describe the problem)

Here are finally some decent pictures of what I have been talking about, except the one which looks fantastic, which is how the mazars look.

They are all about 9 days old, and some of them have no true leaves yet! discoloration too... all grown in the exact same conditions... jeez
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They look overwatered and it does look like earlier pH damage. Let that soil dry up good before you water again.
 
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lampshade said:
They look overwatered and it does look like earlier pH damage. Let that soil dry up good before you water again.
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How long do you think? I was planning on trying this soon, glad to hear you think this may be too much water too, ive paid alot of attention to them... maybe way too much!
 
lampshade

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How long do you think? I was planning on trying this soon, glad to hear you think this may be too much water too, ive paid alot of attention to them... maybe way too much!
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Probably alot of people do. Just like mothers running to there baby at every little gesture, eventually they learn to not over analyze every situation. Hopefully they will pull out but most seedling ive seen like that didnt pull through. I want to say thats a mutation but i doubt its 4 mutated seeds. Good luck, Lamp
 
lampshade

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Probably alot of people do. Just like mothers running to there baby at every little gesture, eventually they learn to not over analyze every situation. Hopefully they will pull out but most seedling ive seen like that didnt pull through. I want to say thats a mutation but i doubt its 4 mutated seeds. Good luck, Lamp
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If they do pick up id imagine it would be 4-5 days after the soil has dried out well and you water again. You may also want to try some superthrive, it has mixed reviews, but none are negative, its really cheap, and you can get it at lowes.
 
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Cool! I may try that, but my current plan is to reevaluate in a few days when the soil dries out and see how things go.
 
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Just for record, for anyone reading, if you'd like to track my progress with this issue, my Grow Journal link is now in my Signature.

and here
 
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Heres what they currently look like. crazy huh?
they are like mutant crazy herbs. :)
 

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Heres what they currently look like. crazy huh?
they are like mutant crazy herbs. :)
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Looks like they will all make it. And i really think that your right, that old damage is from pH.
But your plants look thirsty as hell. Get a good watering schedule. Never plan it in days, like ever 5 days. Water when the pot is light or the top two inches are dry.

When you water, water THOROUGHLY, just like when it rains. he run off water help prevent nute lock up. And stabilizes pH. Then let it dry thoroughly. Till the pot is light, pick up the pot after you water and feel how heavy it is, it will be much much lighter when it needs to be watered.

Just like in nature. It rains like hell, then its dry for a while, etc etc. Lamp
 
taffo143

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lampshade said:
Looks like they will all make it. And i really think that your right, that old damage is from pH.
But your plants look thirsty as hell. Get a good watering schedule. Never plan it in days, like ever 5 days. Water when the pot is light or the top two inches are dry.

When you water, water THOROUGHLY, just like when it rains. he run off water help prevent nute lock up. And stabilizes pH. Then let it dry thoroughly. Till the pot is light, pick up the pot after you water and feel how heavy it is, it will be much much lighter when it needs to be watered.

Just like in nature. It rains like hell, then its dry for a while, etc etc. Lamp
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this guy always gives good advice!!!:mrgreen:
 
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