Sediment buildup.

Exactly. that is what i agonized over. I will be daisy chaining them together and exhausting them when it starts to get warmer. Hey i wanted to ask you something. One of my trays smell a little fishy. The res, smells fine. I am going to clean it out with some peroxide water. Will that be good enough? I thought the peroxide treatments would take care of that. what can i do to keep that from happening?

Yeah that should clean up the tray fine. Are seeing any algae growth on the hydroton or anywhere?

Yeah, some of the older ones (3), have it through the cubes. I covered them all with foil to cut the light supply. I do not see any new growth on the newer ones so it seems to be working. That is why i started treating them with 29% peroxide. I have formulated it out so that it is 3% in the res. Sound right?

Not sure, I think you'd want it stronger. When I have use the 35%, I mixed it at 5ml per gallon. Search in the Hydro forum their's a couple of good threads on h2o2.

Can do. Thanks again for the tip! But isn't 5 mil. like a tablespoon? That is what i have been thinking.

No worries,
5 ml = 1 teaspoon
15 ml = 1 tablespoon

I Have been putting 2.5 oz's of 29% in 25 gallons.

That sounds about right. I think I was putting in 150 mil's of 35% into a 35 gal rez. But that was a year ago, my memory is a lil' fuzzy.

LOL, i hear you. They seem to like it. The girls are doing great. What a difference changing the cycles seems to have made. Everything is moving along excellent. Do you use any extra nutes beside the three main ones? Any power bloom or kool bloom? If so what ratios do you use? And your results? Was it worth the extra expense?

Hey that's awesome everything is doing good. I have used Kool Bloom both the liquid and dry, I honestly don't know if it made a difference. This time I'm doing my nutes a little differently and not using any bloom booster's.

Are you experimenting? or going by some tried and true routine? Just curious. You have been a great help. It is nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of. I know that keeping a close eye on the cloners ph has made a huge difference also. I do not use nearly as much of the hormone as they suggest and the results have been outstanding.

Question. Have you ever come across droplets strewn here and there on leaves through out the table? I have noticed this the past few days. It is not any water spitting out when the pump kicks in. It is also very random and always toward the tops of the plants. Freaky. Do plants sweat? Stupid as it sounds i was wondering if it was an early sign of the light being to close.

Nope I can say that I've never seen water droplets showing up on leaves. Not sure what that could be from.

If your light is too close the plants would show signs of heat stress, then if the problem isn't fixed the leaves start to bleach out.

I guess you could call it an experiment. I was remembering how years ago bloom booster's weren't really on the market and I was happy with the results. It seems like now with using bloom boosters it causes more problems then they're worth. So for now I'm going with the K.I.S.S. method and focus on the big three: Enviroment, Lighting, and Nutrients. Find out what my weakest link is and fix it, then move on to the next weak point, fix it and so on.

I like your explanation. What problems did the bloom boosters cause? K.i.s.s. is an acronym for? Sorry for all of the noob questions. I was reading some of your past links that you have started and posted to. I was curious as to the problems you were having. I found allot of good information in them. Hope you do not mind.

K.I.S.S. stands for 'Keep It Simple, Stupid'. I'm just not convinced on bloom boosters yet. I'm just going to focus on the basic's and get as good as I can with that, then I'll play around with the stuff like that to see if it really worth it.

Well i officially have a sea of green. I bought some chicken wire that i am going to mount on some 2x4's to frame it in. Then it will be a screen of green. I am pulling out 10" clones that rooted in 10 days. The root mass on these things are monsterous. I could barely pull them out of the holes.

The sea of green average 12" to 14". Just put them in 12/12 last week. How much taller do you think they will get? How much of a yield do you think i will pull for each plant? They are bushing very well. Any tips? I keep wondering about lollypopping. Do you think i should give that a whirl with bubblegum? I was thinking about it. But i was wondering if a different strain that produced huge cola's would be better. Any feed back would be appreciated.

Not to sure I've no experience with that strain. I'm sure they'll still grow and stretch a few more inches, probably more. Most strains tend to keep growing for three to four weeks after being switched to 12/12. You could guess to see around a half oz. per plant. Just don't quote me on it, like I said I've never worked with bubblegum before.

I wouldn't bother with lollipoping them if this is your first time with these plants. Just let them do their thing and watch. How much they stretch, if they grow a nice solid cola top to bottom on their own. That'll give you an idea on how to trim or top them next go 'round.

Although if in another week it looks-like there is poor light penetration to the bottom you may want to trim up the lower portion of the plant. Maybe only do it to a few plants and compare end results to the ones that didn't get trimmed.

Sounds like a plan. I like the way you think. I have a tendency of over analyzing and going off in a big worry session. My buddy who gave these to me usually gets them around 2 foot before he puts em in 12/12. It is a good Indica strain. He grows them in dirt though. They are really bushy. He says that they produce allot of tops but nothing "Huge". He usually gets around 3 oz's per plant. But i am cramming those suckers in there for all they are worth. Of course they are doing well, but light penetration will be an issue. It makes me wonder if the sea of green is the right method. I could easily get 4-5, 24"ers in there. If they produce to spec i would get a bigger yield. I guess it is all a trade off. I want the bang for the buck. What is your best producing method? Again it is the pragmatic second guessing that drives me crazy. And believe me, it IS a short trip... LOL

I have two 2 footers in dirt of the same thing that i just put in 12/12 a week ago. They are really nice and bushy. I am letting them go until i set up my other trays. That will be soon. Then they will be off to the side a little. I want to see the difference in the sizes verses yield. I know that i do not want to do dirt again. What a hassle as well as taking so much longer.

Haha, yeah second guessing yourself and over-analyzing will make you crazy. I know that all to well.

Good thing is the longer you work with this strain the better you'll get at knowing what it likes and how to get the most out of her. If your not already start keeping notes. I use a calender and make notes on it. SOG works well if you don't mind high plant numbers and all the problems that comes with it. If you're packing in make sure you have a lot of air-movement going in there.

Air movement is not a problem at this point. I keeps a chart in each room as well as a calender. What problems are you referring to as far as "allot of plants"?

Legal problems with high plant number's, some states have a mandantory minimum if you get caught having over a certain number of plants. That and packing them in together like in a SOG you need lots of good airflow and low humidity or the bud mold will ruin your harvest. Good luck with everything, let us know how it turns out.