Second Grow - not sticky enough (trichomes) & tinny taste?

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 27, 2016

My first Sensei is gone. My seond Sensei is great but he does not say much. I am trying to determine what went wrong with second grow in soil.

An Afghan Kush and Chemdawg. Not sticky, not enough trichomes and tinny taste. Fought some spider mites during grow and did a Jorge Cervantes dunking at the end.

He claims it does not wash away trichomes. Used Fox Farm Grow, recharge, 909 soil,MOAB and some Jacks Bloom.

I did not "flush" at the end because some people say flush and others say keep giving the plants nutes. Maybe the lack of flush aka tinny taste was salts?????

Any suggestions for more stickiness, trichomes and less tinny-ness. Thanks "homies." :wink:

Jimmy Sparkle · Nov 27, 2016

Amount of trichome production can be strain related, not enough or proper nutrition during entire life cycle especially flowering, not enough light/light intensity, temperature fluctuations, plant stress, insect pressure ect. So many variables its very hard to pinpoint but these questions are a great place to start. Trichomes do not simply "wash" off that IS correct but I dont much care for most of what George says.. Just saying."Taste" is also strain related and how you harvest and especially how you cure. Of course these are my opinions only.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 27, 2016

Jimmy Sparkle said:
Amount of trichome production can be strain related, not enough or proper nutrition during entire life cycle especially flowering, not enough light/light intensity, temperature fluctuations, plant stress, insect pressure ect. So many variables its very hard to pinpoint but these questions are a great place to start. Trichomes do not simply "wash" off that IS correct but I dont much care for most of what George says.. Just saying.

Thanks. Yeah George is an either like him or sort of hate him. A lot of his stuff is salesy shit.

Jimmy Sparkle · Nov 27, 2016

Freddie Millergogo said:
Thanks. Yeah George is an either like him or sort of hate him. A lot of his stuff is salesy shit.

He isnt all bad lol. But hey, here is a small insignificant example of what Im talking about. One grow room I have a 400 watt hps only. 5 gallon pots, roots organics "soil" , roots organics nutrients only. I supplement cal mag and fulvic acid ,Neptunes harvest seaweed . In there I grow Big buddha blue cheese only. Temps held at 75 degrees round the clock constant ventillation. So much trichome production its sic! The smell is intoxicating when growing and dried and cured proper???? Forget about it. !!!!

ttystikk · Nov 27, 2016

Whoever told y'all that trichs don't wash off in a dunking apparently hadn't heard of bubble hash.

So that's where your trichs went.

Why are you taking your crop for a swim for spidermites, anyway? It will help powdery mildew, but it's not going to do anything for buds.

Next time, spray weekly. EVERY week except the last week. Adjust your mix to foliar nutes like kelp through the first half of bloom, potassium bicarbonate and anti PM stuff similar.

If you want top grade results, ya gotta put in the time, bro. No shortcuts... which is why I tell people to take whored out Cervantes with strong doses of independent verification only.

Jimmy Sparkle · Nov 27, 2016

I mean like rain and shit washing away trichomes. But ttystikk is right. Forgot about bubble hash and stuff. That isnt my realm lol.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 27, 2016

Jimmy Sparkle said:
He isnt all bad lol. But hey, here is a small insignificant example of what Im talking about. One grow room I have a 400 watt hps only. 5 gallon pots, roots organics "soil" , roots organics nutrients only. I supplement cal mag and fulvic acid ,Neptunes harvest seaweed . In there I grow Big buddha blue cheese only. Temps held at 75 degrees round the clock constant ventillation. So much trichome production its sic! The smell is intoxicating when growing and dried and cured proper???? Forget about it. !!!!

Sounds awesome. Keeping a constant temp and ventilation are keys. Cal Mag, Fulvic and Seaweed also keys. Thanks.

Jimmy Sparkle · Nov 27, 2016

Freddie Millergogo said:
Sounds awesome. Keeping a constant temp and ventilation are keys. Cal Mag, Fulvic and Seaweed also keys. Thanks.

No worries bruddah ... Like I said, so many growing techniques , so many scenarios... I like my way but 10 billion different people can pick it to shreds.. Cool with me... Im still not above listening and learning if it makes sence lol

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 27, 2016

ttystikk said:
Whoever told y'all that trichs don't wash off in a dunking apparently hadn't heard of bubble hash.

So that's where your trichs went.

Why are you taking your crop for a swim for spidermites, anyway? It will help powdery mildew, but it's not going to do anything for buds.

Next time, spray weekly. EVERY week except the last week. Adjust your mix to foliar nutes like kelp through the first half of bloom, potassium bicarbonate and anti PM stuff similar.

If you want top grade results, ya gotta put in the time, bro. No shortcuts... which is why I tell people to take whored out Cervantes with strong doses of independent verification only.

Great stuff. Thanks. I was dunking them thinking any residual bugs and PM would be washed off. Dumb. George aka Jorge jacked me but it was my own fault.

I have since been spraying every week since following much of what Al Bundy guy White2727BB says.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 27, 2016

Jimmy Sparkle said:
No worries bruddah ... Like I said, so many growing techniques , so many scenarios... I like my way but 10 billion different people can pick it to shreds.. Cool with me... Im still not above listening and learning if it makes sence lol

Always something new to learn and 80%+ of the people here are great at helping others.

ttystikk · Nov 27, 2016

Freddie Millergogo said:
Great stuff. Thanks. I was dunking them thinking any residual bugs and PM would be washed off. Dumb. George aka Jorge jacked me but it was my own fault.

I have since been spraying every week since following much of what Al Bundy guy White2727BB says.

@whitebb2727 knows his shit, his advice won't steer you wrong.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 27, 2016

ttystikk said:
@whitebb2727 knows his shit, his advice won't steer you wrong.

Yeah he is a good guy. The joke is I did not have any powdery mildew - George had a bunch in his video. The guys and maybe gals here know a lot more than most of these youtube experts. There are a few on youtube like GrowMau5 who are awesome.

Freaking John Berfelo - every time he is in a grow it looks like it has not been swept in a few months! Spider mites move at light speed but there is no excuse for this (see video).

And he is talking lady bugs BS. You probably know the mutual lady who sells em and will tear into you if you mention ladybugs to combat spider mites. She is in the Springs. The young one is nice, the older lady is a hard ass.

ttystikk · Nov 27, 2016

Freddie Millergogo said:
Yeah he is a good guy. The joke is I did not have any powdery mildew - George had a bunch in his video. The guys and maybe gals here know a lot more than most of these youtube experts. There are a few on youtube like GrowMau5 who are awesome.

Freaking John Berfelo - every time he is in a grow it looks like it has not been swept in a few months! Spider mites move at light speed but there is no excuse for this (see video).

And he is talking lady bugs BS. You probably know the mutual lady who sells em and will tear into you if you mention ladybugs to combat spider mites. She is in the Springs. The young one is nice, the older lady is a hard ass.

I get along famously with both of them.

whitebb2727 · Nov 27, 2016

I filter incoming air to my grow cab and shop vac it a couple times a week. I don't wash my buds. Add some uv to help prevent pm along with good temps, rh and plenty of air movement.

I like temps in the mid to high 70's and rh in the 40's.

Use spinosad for mites. A couple foliar treatments and twice to watering for systemic.

Jubilant · Nov 27, 2016

ttystikk said:
Whoever told y'all that trichs don't wash off in a dunking apparently hadn't heard of bubble hash.

So that's where your trichs went.

Why are you taking your crop for a swim for spidermites, anyway? It will help powdery mildew, but it's not going to do anything for buds.

Next time, spray weekly. EVERY week except the last week. Adjust your mix to foliar nutes like kelp through the first half of bloom, potassium bicarbonate and anti PM stuff similar.

If you want top grade results, ya gotta put in the time, bro. No shortcuts... which is why I tell people to take whored out Cervantes with strong doses of independent verification only.

Bubblehash however is also frozen, then placed in ice water, then very vigorously churned to break the trichs away from the herb. Simply rinsing will not wash away trichs, watch all the videos and post-wash bud pics of the many people who wash after harvest. (Not necessarily talking about for the reasons in that video some just wash every harvest) it will show you how hydrophobic those trichs really are.

whitebb2727 · Nov 27, 2016

Let me say also as far as spraying with nano silver, not all strains will throw flowers. May have to spray twice a day and see what happens.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 28, 2016

ttystikk said:
Whoever told y'all that trichs don't wash off in a dunking apparently hadn't heard of bubble hash.

So that's where your trichs went.

Why are you taking your crop for a swim for spidermites, anyway? It will help powdery mildew, but it's not going to do anything for buds.

Next time, spray weekly. EVERY week except the last week. Adjust your mix to foliar nutes like kelp through the first half of bloom, potassium bicarbonate and anti PM stuff similar.

If you want top grade results, ya gotta put in the time, bro. No shortcuts... which is why I tell people to take whored out Cervantes with strong doses of independent verification only.

Yoda Sensei - one question.

Liquid Kelp like this from Age Old Organics as a foliar spray in a 1 gallon sprayer?

https://www.planetnatural.com/product/age-old-kelp/

I had heard that kelp in a foliar spray can kill spider mites. Migrating from soil to turpur in the future thanks to Sensei Afghan King and my new Sensei. I assume foliar kelp spray is good for soil and turpur.

I always check out Age Old Products and people say their stuff is good but no one seems to buy it much. They have no half naked ladies and goofy kids eating cotton candy on their labels.

I know you buy bulk stuff where Charlie the sleeping cat is in the Spgs

I also like John Berfelo's videos but the dude always is in grows that have not been swept for weeks.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 28, 2016

Jimmy Sparkle said:
He isnt all bad lol. But hey, here is a small insignificant example of what Im talking about. One grow room I have a 400 watt hps only. 5 gallon pots, roots organics "soil" , roots organics nutrients only. I supplement cal mag and fulvic acid ,Neptunes harvest seaweed . In there I grow Big buddha blue cheese only. Temps held at 75 degrees round the clock constant ventillation. So much trichome production its sic! The smell is intoxicating when growing and dried and cured proper???? Forget about it. !!!!

He has great hair for his age and he appears to be a pretty friendly guy.

ttystikk · Nov 28, 2016

Freddie Millergogo said:
Yoda Sensei - one question.

Liquid Kelp like this from Age Old Organics as a foliar spray in a 1 gallon sprayer?

https://www.planetnatural.com/product/age-old-kelp/

I had heard that kelp in a foliar spray can kill spider mites. Migrating from soil to turpur in the future thanks to Sensei Afghan King and my new Sensei. I assume foliar kelp spray is good for soil and turpur.

I always check out Age Old Products and people say their stuff is good but no one seems to buy it much. They have no half naked ladies and goofy kids eating cotton candy on their labels.

I know you buy bulk stuff where Charlie the sleeping cat is in the Spgs

I also like John Berfelo's videos but the dude always is in grows that have not been swept for weeks.

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I use liquid kelp as a foliar feed. I'm unaware of any benefits vs spidermites.

Freddie Millergogo · Nov 28, 2016

ttystikk said:
I use liquid kelp as a foliar feed. I'm unaware of any benefits vs spidermites.

Thanks. Age Old Kelp or Pennington 32 oz. Pure Kelp Plant Food
should be okay? 1 gallon sprayer? I wonder if adding a tea to tablespoon of Silica is okay. My sensei likes silica spray in veg.

Thank you.

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