Scrog V's lst who does what!!!!

First let me say I have never scrogged. I do however lst, What are the benifits for scrogging? It seems like it's a lot of work trying to fill in a screen but I'm not sure of the process 100%.
With lst I get multiple bud sites of the same relative height.
So what method do you prefer?

Please if you don't lst or scrog don't post here. Not trying to be a bitch but I don't care if your friend, friends, uncle's buddy knows a guy who does it. I want to have a good healthy discussion with people who are in the know from personal experience.

It's really not all that hard u just weave ur plants threw what ever ur using to screen with u get the same results as u do if u lst so it's up to u how you want to do it

Personally I think SCROG is better to suited to sativa dominant strains because of the initial stretch they get in flower which for me helps to finish filling the screen and gets me to flower faster. This chops about a week or so off of my veg time doing it that way. Also I have found my yield to be much improved scrogging my sativa strain. Otherwise for me it takes longer with other strains and starts the question of whether the extra veg was worth it. As far as technique goes, scrogging is only slightly more difficult than just doing LST because the main thing is timing your flip to flower in order to have a completely full screen but not too full. This for me has been mostly strain/time dependent, I hope this helps a little and good luck.
KnB

When you guys talk which is better, when you scrog do you
Trim under the screen and compare to lst? Or you guys just put the screen up an let them grow into it?

scrog is good for fast high yeilds because you are growing alot of small plants with their own root systems, the screen is just for even growth. SCROG you are growing as fast as possible and basically unchecked vertical growth. It's great but you are risking more having many rooted plants.
LST you are still causing some stress by changing the flow of hormones etc but the idea is to get an even canopy as in SOG or SCROG. You will take longer but the advantage is you can have less rooted plants.
Personally I prefer to LST because I like big plants and I am in no rush but if you want a big fast yeild SCROG or SOG is the way

gaztron3030 said:

scrog is good for fast high yeilds because you are growing alot of small plants with their own root systems, the screen is just for even growth. SCROG you are growing as fast as possible and basically unchecked vertical growth. It's great but you are risking more having many rooted plants.
LST you are still causing some stress by changing the flow of hormones etc but the idea is to get an even canopy as in SOG or SCROG. You will take longer but the advantage is you can have less rooted plants.
Personally I prefer to LST because I like big plants and I am in no rush but if you want a big fast yeild SCROG or SOG is the way

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Actually being a medical grower I am limited on how many plants I can have so less plants that are bigger is just what I'm after. Now correct me if I'm wrong but scrogging is more then 1 plant under a screen right! If that's the case LSTing 1 plant in a tote seems like the way to go for me.I don't care about vegging time as it's only flowqwring plants I have a limit on.

I have a Hieght Constraint of 4 ft. I have my plants in LST, getting big bud sites now, 5 weeks in veg. I plan to scrog to keep my Canopy within my constraint; However LST is good to me.
Question asked. How much taller do stricktly LST plants grow than say a screen placed at 2 ft?

i haven't gotten to it yet, but i like SCROG. it's best for multi-strain grows and it makes the most efficient use of light along with that "every bud's a top cola" auxins thing making popcorn non-existent.

gaztron3030 said:

scrog is good for fast high yeilds because you are growing alot of small plants with their own root systems, the screen is just for even growth. SCROG you are growing as fast as possible and basically unchecked vertical growth. It's great but you are risking more having many rooted plants.
LST you are still causing some stress by changing the flow of hormones etc but the idea is to get an even canopy as in SOG or SCROG. You will take longer but the advantage is you can have less rooted plants.
Personally I prefer to LST because I like big plants and I am in no rush but if you want a big fast yeild SCROG or SOG is the way

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Incorrect. SCROG isn't a lot of small plants. It's 1 or 2 large plants. SCROG stands for screen of green. You have a screen over one plant and you weave it until the plant fills up the 25-75% of the screen THEN you flip to 12/12. You typically want to top a scrogged plant. It's basically getting 30+ main colas instead of 10 or 15 like you would with LST. Here's a picture of MY scrog grow. Also, a lot of SCROG growers veg their plants for 2+ months. It doesn't exactly speed up the process the end, you just end up with a higher yield.

hazey grapes said:

i haven't gotten to it yet, but i like SCROG. it's best for multi-strain grows and it makes the most efficient use of light along with that "every bud's a top cola" auxins thing making popcorn non-existent.

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Incorrect SOG is best for multi strain grows. SOG stands for sea of green. You have a LOT of plants in 1 gallon pots growing rather small, this allows you to have various strains all growing together. You will yield less per plant but having so many makes up for it and you still come out with a decent yield.

TMAF said:

I have a Hieght Constraint of 4 ft. I have my plants in LST, getting big bud sites now, 5 weeks in veg. I plan to scrog to keep my Canopy within my constraint; However LST is good to me.
Question asked. How much taller do stricktly LST plants grow than say a screen placed at 2 ft?

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You probably waited too long. SCROG usually goes down around 3-4 weeks of veg. After that it's a bit strange. You might be able to but the longer you wait the more difficult it will be. Also, the plant will stretch quite a bit in flower so be wary of your height limit. LST and SCROG are similar in a lot of ways, I LST my plant under the scrog screen as well a lot of scroggers do this to help the plant get to the edges of the screen with minimal issues.


Don't get me wrong you can grow lots of plants under SCROG, but in MY personal opinion to do it right you need lots of space. I like to think each plant should have it's own screen to be a proper scrog.

mr2shim said:

Incorrect. SCROG isn't a lot of small plants. It's 1 or 2 large plants. SCROG stands for screen of green. You have a screen over one plant and you weave it until the plant fills up the entire screen. You typically want to top a scrogged plant. It's basically getting 30+ main colas instead of 10 or 15 like you would with LST. Here's a picture of MY scrog grow.

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But that would be training your plant, you are still simply holding back some branches so the others catch up and topping them. I have seen many SCROG grows which are many clones flowered as soon as they root. if you are using big plants, whether you tie down branches or use a screen you are doing the same thing.
I mean its just terminology any way, you are just topping and training plants but someone wants to give it a name.

gaztron3030 said:

But that would be training your plant, you are still simply holding back some branches so the others catch up and topping them. I have seen many SCROG grows which are many clones flowered as soon as they root. if you are using big plants, whether you tie down branches or use a screen you are doing the same thing.
I mean its just terminology any way, you are just topping and training plants but someone wants to give it a name.

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What's wrong with differentiating different training techniques? Not everyone tops a scrogged plant so what would you call it? "Putting a screen with some squares down and weave around the plant so you can have multiple colas"? That's a pretty long description so what's wrong with using the term SCROG. It's a training technique just like SOG, LST, suppercropping, HST, FIMMING, topping ect ect.. All of those are training techniques. Should we just say "oh I'm training it."

mr2shim said:

What's wrong with differentiating different training techniques? Not everyone tops a scrogged plant so what would you call it? "Putting a screen with some squares down and weave around the plant so you can have multiple colas"? That's a pretty long description so what's wrong with using the term SCROG. It's a training technique just like SOG, LST, suppercropping, HST, FIMMING, topping ect ect.. All of those are training techniques. Should we just say "oh I'm training it."

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Yes we should

Who cares? What's the big deal, they're names of different training techniques to help people understand the differences. Besides, these names have been around forever, no point in starting a battle to change them.

mr2shim said:

Who cares? What's the big deal, they're names of different training techniques to help people understand the differences. Besides, these names have been around forever, no point in starting a battle to chance them.

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My point exactly. SCROG, SOG, LST etc etc havn't been around forever they are more modern and typically indoor gardening techniques. I just don't like how growing MJ is like petrol heads these days, its all about what brand of this and how many days that and my parts are the best and I know the biggest words. We are forgetting our roots and making things too mechanical.

gaztron3030 said:

My point exactly. SCROG, SOG, LST etc etc havn't been around forever they are more modern and typically indoor gardening techniques. I just don't like how growing MJ is like petrol heads these days, its all about what brand of this and how many days that and my parts are the best and I know the biggest words. We are forgetting our roots and making things too mechanical.

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Change comes with everything. You can't expect it to not grow and evolve with new terms, ideas yada yada. Roots, what roots? People will and always have grown or smoked marijuana to get high. How can you forget the only reason 90% of the people here are growing it? Yes they are indoor terms, outdoor you generally have the space to grow the plant like it naturally will. There is nothing wrong with creating names to differentiate techniques. It's not like a new one pops up every month. I haven't heard anything new since I started years and years ago.

mr2shim said:

Change comes with everything. You can't expect it to not grow and evolve with new terms, ideas yada yada. Roots, what roots? People will and always have grown or smoked marijuana to get high. How can you forget the only reason 90% of the people here are growing it? Yes they are indoor terms, outdoor you generally have the space to grow the plant like it naturally will. There is nothing wrong with creating names to differentiate techniques. It's not like a new one pops up every month. I haven't heard anything new since I started years and years ago.

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Our roots of being able to do things just fine without getting things perfect.
How can I forget the only reason 90% of the people here are growing it? That doesn't make sense I don't follow....
I mean it seems it's all about somebody saying something and another saying "no you are wrong and I am right" or "don't use that product/technique it isn't right"
we should all just get our cocks and rulers out and get it over with

MrShim: You break My Heart

My 5 week olds are from regular seeds, only one of them has shown sex yet...
They would just barely, perhaps not even, reach a screen of 2 ft height today.
LST FTW

my personal and i stress MY PERSONAL method of both....
s.c.r.o.g..... take clones from a plant 2 weeks into flower, once rooted, put into small see through cups (with dark sleeves of bigger opaque plastic cups) for 2 weeks under a t5 flour. after 1st week, top them both. now you have 2 topped, monster cropped ladies ready to go into final pots and under hps. set your screen 8-12 inches from top of pots and as she grows through, pull her back under, along with all other tips and let her grow again, depending on how big your set up is, veg time can be anything from 4 to 12 weeks, repeating this process all the while. 4 does me fine. (small set up). once you have the screen as full as you want it, flip em into flower and @ end of week 2, strip underneath the net to pretty much bare, use for clones for next time or discard , then watch your beauties bloom for next ???? weeks (strain depending). 10+ oz per plant, have had 14oz off one white rhino but average 10

l.s.t..... i just top and pinch my already monster cropped clones (x4) until they have about 12 main shoots, again, trim waste off at end of week 2 of 12/12. veg for 4 weeks from rooted, train once a week and bingo, multi headed beauties. 3-5 oz per plant.

Thank you all for your opinions, ideas, and techniques. As soon as I get more lights in my flowering room (real soon) and can get a couple out of my veg room I'm going to have clones off the same plant. One I am going to LST the other LST and scrog if I can figure out how to make a screen for my tote.Veg them for the same amount of time and see what happens. I know the only way for me is to try it but now I believe I'm not going off half cocked. I understand this is not all scientific and there are many factors that can effect the outcome.It might not work out for me but hey it could have for you cause no 2 grows are alike. Well maybe big commercial grows are alike but I'm just a small medical grower on a tight budget. I grow for pain not profit so yield is important. Most people can't afford to really treat themselves properly because it's so expensive. If you are disabled living on a fixed income it's hard to afford to smoke good meds. I hope to change that for a few people.Eh here I am rambling on and on... Again thank you all who answered in such a nice friendly way.

I should have posted pics of what I do so you all had a better idea of what I'm asking. Would you scrog this plant. I't's 15 inches tall from soilline in a 10 gallon tote. A few days(maybe a week) ago I topped them. They will go into flowering at 20 inches. And yes I know that group of leaves shows a mag deficency. That was from a while ago and the leaves are growing just staying the same color...never had that happen before usually the leaves would go totally south but hey they didn't so.....