SCROG- should i get height or LST?

im working with 1 plant in a 4x4x6'7" tent. plant is fairly small just because i topped it last week i believe and i just transplanted earlier this week it isn't stunted or anything but just short and bushy. i assume my lights can't hit the very top due to how i set it up so im actually working with a 6' height. i want some room of course from top to the lights due to heat issues so i am trying to maybe hit around 3' in height after the stretch phase just so i can have some buffer and be on the safer side as i never grew this strain before.

should i mainly just be focusing on height right now or should i kind of start spreading it out before i slap the net on?

also if i want say 3' max height including when it starts flowering and all that at around what height would you say i should set my scrog up at?

If your gonna truly scrog, the planning and training should begin early( after you top at the 3-4-5-6 node, wherever you choose) and never stop. You want to top the plant early and often and lst`ing it non stop
with 1 plant and the plan to scrog in that space, growing it tall is pointless and it will just add extra time, spread it out and fill the canopy.

Scrog net should start about 8-12" above top of pots, then let the weaving begin


you should head over to growweedeasy.com and read LBHs scrog tutorial, anyone attempting to do it properly should read that article.

diggs99 said:

If your gonna truly scrog, the planning and training should begin early( after you top at the 3-4-5-6 node, wherever you choose) and never stop. You want to top the plant early and often and lst`ing it non stop
with 1 plant and the plan to scrog in that space, growing it tall is pointless and it will just add extra time, spread it out and fill the canopy.

Scrog net should start about 8-12" above top of pots, then let the weaving begin


you should head over to growweedeasy.com and read LBHs scrog tutorial, anyone attempting to do it properly should read that article.

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that site just said to top once and spread it 4 way which is what i currently did. says you can top multiple times but gets your bud sites weaker in the sense the nugs wont be as big due to multiple main stems now.

i mean i topped once, it directly went into what he calls a 4 way and i didn't really tie that down i just pushed it down with my fingers but that was like 2 days ago. then i just continue to LST until it's wider basicaly from here right?

Lethidox said:

that site just said to top once and spread it 4 way which is what i currently did. says you can top multiple times but gets your bud sites weaker in the sense the nugs wont be as big due to multiple main stems now.

i mean i topped once, it directly went into what he calls a 4 way and i didn't really tie that down i just pushed it down with my fingers but that was like 2 days ago. then i just continue to LST until it's wider basicaly from here right?

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Yep thats the jist of it. Keep manipulating the tops to empty squares in your screen

if your growing a sativa fill the screen 60%ish to allow for stretch and keep weaving until its over.
if indica 80%+ should be fine as they are usually more compact
hybrid in between

Follow LBH, that step y step is as good as it gets for scrogging.

Ive watched a few growers use the method and have great success.

diggs99 said:

Yep thats the jist of it. Keep manipulating the tops to empty squares in your screen

if your growing a sativa fill the screen 60%ish to allow for stretch and keep weaving until its over.
if indica 80%+ should be fine as they are usually more compact
hybrid in between

Follow LBH, that step y step is as good as it gets for scrogging.

Ive watched a few growers use the method and have great success.

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it's kinda confusing but imma just try w.e. lol i topped once already but looks like the guide didn't top a 2nd time but said to top a 2nd time. i don't see people LSTing scrog either what i see is people basically just tuck the plants under the net and spread that way but they have multiple plants not just 1. imma just go with 1 topping for now then imma try and LST a little bit and remove the LST's later on when they are more shaped then put the net on. right now i got about 6 good branches that i would say would be tops or should produce bud in the future

Topped once. how would i got about topping this a 2nd time looks like 3 main stems to me O.O" but i know it's only 2. the other 3 stems idfk they are just as fat as the main stems are right now

Lethidox said:

Topped once. how would i got about topping this a 2nd time looks like 3 main stems to me O.O" but i know it's only 2. the other 3 stems idfk they are just as fat as the main stems are right now

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You pinch the tips off every branch. Side branches included.

hotrodharley said:

You pinch the tips off every branch. Side branches included.

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ahh thank you i wasn't sure if it just applied to main branches or both imma start doing that now then. no point in LSTing right? just continue to top

Lethidox said:

ahh thank you i wasn't sure if it just applied to main branches or both imma start doing that now then. no point in LSTing right? just continue to top

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I top and supercrop. No bondage or S&M stuff.

hotrodharley said:

I top and supercrop. No bondage or S&M stuff.

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bondage and S&M? what is that "

yea the videos i am watching all say random shit. some say to top once only then scrog it others saying to LST it to get the starting shape. kinda confusing this scrog technique XD. how many times should i be topping them?

Lethidox said:

bondage and S&M? what is that "

yea the videos i am watching all say random shit. some say to top once only then scrog it others saying to LST it to get the starting shape. kinda confusing this scrog technique XD. how many times should i be topping them?

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S&M. Bondage. LST. Personally I top 3 times. That leaves me 8 main branches and shape it like a wheel. I supercrop to control growth direction and height. Since I grow more than one strain at a time I avoid SCROG. I like being able to pull the plants out to feed and clean up. Cultivate the soil. In a SCROG you be crawling. Worse yet one turns hermie mid-flower. The one in the back of course.

hotrodharley said:

S&M. Bondage. LST. Personally I top 3 times. That leaves me 8 main branches and shape it like a wheel. I supercrop to control growth direction and height. Since I grow more than one strain at a time I avoid SCROG. I like being able to pull the plants out to feed and clean up. Cultivate the soil. In a SCROG you be crawling. Worse yet one turns hermie mid-flower. The one in the back of course.

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thanks imma just try what i think i am doing right now seems to be what that side he recommended but it give 2 different weird instructions as what he considers a 4way 1 which is topping twice to create 4 main stems then he says he tops once to create 2 main stems and then the 2 secondary stems like in my pic he considers a 4 way

in my other pic in my journal though it looks like it is a 4 way anyways but i guess over the 2 days i didn't check on it the plants grew slightly more bushy. and yea the low grow is a bitch for watering that is why i kind of wanted to build some height so i can get in. i water with a tiny 2L can so it aint so bad and just mix my nutes in a 1gal water jug

Lethidox said:

thanks imma just try what i think i am doing right now seems to be what that side he recommended but it give 2 different weird instructions as what he considers a 4way 1 which is topping twice to create 4 main stems then he says he tops once to create 2 main stems and then the 2 secondary stems like in my pic he considers a 4 way

in my other pic in my journal though it looks like it is a 4 way anyways but i guess over the 2 days i didn't check on it the plants grew slightly more bushy. and yea the low grow is a bitch for watering that is why i kind of wanted to build some height so i can get in. i water with a tiny 2L can so it aint so bad and just mix my nutes in a 1gal water jug

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He’s right. I pinch a third time giving me 8 main colas. By shaping it the side branches also bud heavily.

That plant looks primed to be a 6 way manifold/mainline

for some reason the pic never showed up for me earlier

Lethidox, you are WAAAY over thinking this. The point of the scrog is to let the screen do your canopy control. You topped it already great . Now wait till its about 12 inches above the pot so you have room to get your hands and watering can under it. Once its about 12 inches up, put a sturdy screen over it, and start weaving the branches to the sides as they reach the screen, that's really it. You can top the side branches if you want, but just weaving the growth tips under the screen will still cause the secondary nodes to grow out into bud sites for you.

Thundercat said:

Lethidox, you are WAAAY over thinking this. The point of the scrog is to let the screen do your canopy control. You topped it already great . Now wait till its about 12 inches above the pot so you have room to get your hands and watering can under it. Once its about 12 inches up, put a sturdy screen over it, and start weaving the branches to the sides as they reach the screen, that's really it. You can top the side branches if you want, but just weaving the growth tips under the screen will still cause the secondary nodes to grow out into bud sites for you.

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lol yea i am i am just doing this now. removed the tie downs and was like fuck it if dont turn out good w.e. learning experience. thanks for the help everyone

I top twice and LST with my scrog.

whelp look like this scrog idea might go to shits.. dad keeps shoving plants in my damn tent 3 are like 3 feet tall already and he just added another baby one.

tell your pops you love him & that there's a method to your plant training madness. let him know it's okay if he wants to throw the baby out with the bath water, especially if it's his grow space. y'all will simply be positioned to enjoy a diminishing end yield