SCROG OFF!! New school vs old school. Sealed rooms- 12 plants.

hey Legal, when do you believe is the optimal time to prune out the under story in a scrog? Thinking flowering hormones and such....thanks...Nugs

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nugbuckets said:

hey Legal, when do you believe is the optimal time to prune out the under story in a scrog? Thinking flowering hormones and such....thanks...Nugs

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I typically hack quite a bit away about a week before the flip. Then snip many of the new growing shoots in the first two weeks of flower.

Thanks bro....not to hijack, but i was hoping to run this by you, to see what you think....i am really impressed with your work, and have become another in the quest for 1g/watt. don't hesitate to tell me to get the fuck out yo thread if you feel so inclined....i don't scrog because i use soil in 5 gal. buckets, in a 3 by 6 foot space....but i am trying to maximize my yield without having to go liquid. plus i love organic herb. anyways i have two 400 horties, and just sacked up and bought some real reflectors that should be perfect in my space. i seriously super-cropped my six clones, and pruned out the under-schwap..they have been in veg for about 6 weeks. they are about to go into their 5 gal from 2 gal. my main goal is to establish the most even canopy i can muster, and hope super-cropping is the ticket. so 800 watts...800 grams in organic dirt is my goal. anyways...any suggestions or constructive critisism would be appreciated......again....love your work, and follow this tread religiously...
peace, nugs

Love this thread, My first grow was a CFL SCROG 1 plant, 1.5 gal of soil, With a 1'x2' screen with a custom crazy light thing i made to hold the 420-ish ACTUAL watts of CFL's, i got 3 oz's of all perfect sized nugs, one day im going back to a scrog, the gpw is so much easier to get to

nugbuckets said:

Thanks bro....not to hijack, but i was hoping to run this by you, to see what you think....i am really impressed with your work, and have become another in the quest for 1g/watt. don't hesitate to tell me to get the fuck out yo thread if you feel so inclined....i don't scrog because i use soil in 5 gal. buckets, in a 3 by 6 foot space...

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Get the fuck out of my thread dirt humper.

No dirt love here........ Haha

LOL, Thanks for taking it in spirit. Thought I would actually get SOME work done at the office for a little bit. Sounds like you are on the right track with some good reflectors. I would absolutely make sure your running biologicals and enzymes in soil. Huge benefits. MY only other advise would be to just skip the smaller size pot and go right to the bigger pot. The notion that a pot is "too big" for a plant is an old wives tale. (the wive being a stupid fuck who didn't know anything about plants). Plants are looking nice and squat though, should be a good yielder.

thanks bro......right now i am using root rally by age old organics...it has mike spores and a shit pile of bennies. what would you recommend for enzymes? Nugs

Hygrozyme seems to be the industry favorite by a long shot. Or, you could buy sensiyme from AN. It has ALL the enzymes in the entire fucking world and all the best growers use it. The advantage of sensizyme is that it is 150% times more expensive AND it is twice as dilute as hygrozyme so you have to use twice as much.

I have a bottle of hygrozyme on the shelf but have'nt used it yet. For us hydroguys its basically a cleaning solution for the roots of previous runs. I'm sure it provides fabulous results if added every rez change, but I put it in the "not neccessary" category.

Hey legal buddy I swear I remember reading in one of your posts that you're using Lumatek ballasts.. but now all I can find is a post saying digital ballasts.. are you using Lumateks?

And have you had any issues?

Bout to go fork out $1500 on lights but wanna make sure nobody's having dramas.. I read some posts from years ago about interference with enviro controllers but there's info saying they were 'fixing' the issue back in '08.. I assume it's done now..

Anyway let me know what kinda lights you using, if it's not too much drama

Cheers buddy lookin' forward to more pics



EDIT: +repped and subbed by the way, been well helpful cheers

Yo Icky. Yeah lumateks. Got 3 of them and one knock off chinease digital I got for $20. Truth be told I think that all the NEWER digitals (like within the past year) are all about the same. I choose lumatek cause they look cool and they have a great warranty. (I like the super lumen feature as well and YES there is a difference).

Cheers,
LF

Icky said:

Hey legal buddy I swear I remember reading in one of your posts that you're using Lumatek ballasts.. but now all I can find is a post saying digital ballasts.. are you using Lumateks?

And have you had any issues?

Bout to go fork out $1500 on lights but wanna make sure nobody's having dramas.. I read some posts from years ago about interference with enviro controllers but there's info saying they were 'fixing' the issue back in '08.. I assume it's done now..

Anyway let me know what kinda lights you using, if it's not too much drama

Cheers buddy lookin' forward to more pics



EDIT: +repped and subbed by the way, been well helpful cheers

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This is just my 2 cents but ive been reading that sunpulse it the way to go as far as bulbs, because they are the only ones "fully compatable" with digital ballasts meaning that other bulbs will die a lot quicker. Im hearing that most people that run digital ballast are finding that their bulb life is dramatically reduced vs old school coil ballasts. Just some info since your gonna drop that much cash,

Something seems to be missing from this thread over the past couple days, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Hmmm. Legal's cheekiness...check. Questions for the master...present. I know! Froggy, where the fuck are ya? I hope Legal's last bud pron pics didn't scare ya away. Or maybe it's cuz we all laughed at your inadequate root, Bret Favre? Whatever the case, come on back! We can't have a proper scrog off without you. Else it'll just be Legal playing with himself. And we all know that doesn't happen until week 7 or 8 of flower.

I think frogster is trying to find the perfect color of pipe cleaner so he can rig up something that looks like plant roots. I say fuck it, plant roots are over rated. In regards to the whole digital "bulb problem" is not that big of a problem and it's actually the bulb manufactures who need to address the isse. Many have already. I have been using ushious with little reduction in lux. I think those that bring up concerns about digi and vow allegiance to magnetic ballasts are living in the past. Digi ballasts are superior in every single fucking way. Every single way!!


Anywho, if your not a fucking retard and can read words that are intermixed with numbers, you should read the following post that was in a thread about the lumatek/ hortilux issue:


My name is Jason and I am the founder of Lumatek Electronic ballasts. We try to stay away from these forums but I think this is important. Some customers are currently experiencing problems when using some 600 watt lamps. I do want to point out that the Hortilux Solarmax Grolux issue applies to ALL brand of electronic ballasts.

The lumatek ballast is a true Eballast. It has a micro processor cpu. This cpu allows the ballast to make adjustments according to the lamp that is being used. A eballast can compensate for degrading bulbs and slight power fluctuations. It can also sense the exact specifications of the lamps it is using. the Lumatek ballast is up to 27% brighter than a core and coil ballast. We do have one problem with this technology the cpu can not detect the lamp until AFTER the initial ignition. Once the bulb is lit the ballast can then take over and drive the bulb to its exact specifications. Industry specifications for a 600 watt hps lamp call for a 4000volt ignition pulse. This is what Lumatek and all other digital ballast use for a starting voltage. Hortilux ignition used to be 2000-3000 volts even though this is less then the ignition pulse of the Lumatek we did not experience any problems with the Hortilux I have lots of customers with Hortilux lamps that are over a year old However about 6 months ago we started to notice an increase in Hortilux failures. We also noticed that the font of the text printed at the base of the bulb had changed. When we tested this lamp we found that the ignition range was lowered to 1500 volts. These new Hortilux lamps are different then the ones we originally designed the ballast with and have a higher frailer rate. The problems that customers are having are NOT a ballast problem they are a bulb problem the Hortilux 600 watt is not designed to industry specifications regarding ignition pulse. Furthermore it is also manufactured with a special gas in the arc tube that no other lamp maker in the world uses. The Hortilux lamp design is unique. We are currently adapting our ballast for this bulb it may require a switch to lower the ignition pulse for Hortilux.
Solarmax and Growlux lamps are the opposite problem these lamps require a 5000-6000 volt ignition pulse Again the standard ignition for a 600 is 4000 volts. The Lumtek ballast can light these bulbs with the 4K pulse for a while however over time the lamps degrade and they require more and more voltage to start after a few months the bulbs will not ignite in any digital ballast.

If for some reason you still think mag ballasts are not conpletely outdated and gay, check out this thread...

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f6/ushio-hilux-gro-metal-halide-mh-lamp-w-lumatek-digital-ballast-9252/


Mag ballasts cost MORE MONEY to run and give lower performance. Sign me up!!

Been out of town all week.... Son kept the girls alive... Not too bad,, the Supercropped girls are looking really nice... Maybe I shouldn't have scrogged the Sour Diesels... Been running 450ppm all week,, talking about 4gal h20 a day... dropped the control box to get the most water off the roots... and put back in the rez. heater... will do a rez change in the a.m,,, (with the hose this time!!) heres a few pics... Last pics for Audiea6... my litttle dirt iceream clone that I didnt want to throw away... shes looking like a winner!

legallyflying said:

Yo Icky. Yeah lumateks. Got 3 of them and one knock off chinease digital I got for $20. Truth be told I think that all the NEWER digitals (like within the past year) are all about the same. I choose lumatek cause they look cool and they have a great warranty. (I like the super lumen feature as well and YES there is a difference).

Cheers,
LF

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Cheers buddy this sets my mind at ease a bit. Down to the local hydro shop on Monday for some Lumateks then!


Thanks for the junya, I don't have access to that kind of bulb but as far as I can see as long as the ignition voltage is in the right zone it's all good.

RF interference is the thing I was most worried about but found some info related to the thing legallyflying posted and it looks like Lumateks, if not all modern digis, are a-okay in that respect.

Lookin' better than one might have thought frogster nice one!!

And Im pretty sure I read in section 9 subsection E.. "any noob growers in a scrog off are entitled of a handicap of at least 20%, more so if the competitions plants look a helluvalot better." see no worries.... Im also allowed all of my leaves, stem,root and any media that is sticking to the roots (damn, not getting much help there) and left over nutrients.. included in the final weight...

Well shit man, you get 2 grams per watt then.

Plants are looking good though. How far above the screen do you think they are?

My plants are taking nutes in like crack whores! Went to bed way late last night with Rez completely full and 1680 ppm. Came home from work after two floods and they drank about 4-5 gallons and the ppm was 1510 without topping off! Drooped to around 1420 when topped off.

20% handicap! what a disappointment.....